Brumby
Major
Gone are the days of indiscriminate bombing. The challenge in the modern era is avoiding collateral damage. Don't confuse mass with effectiveness. The issue with PGM's is finding environment rich targets. In perspective :
Terror Attack in Paris, 13 November 2015
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Gone are the days of indiscriminate bombing. The challenge in the modern era is avoiding collateral damage. Don't confuse mass with effectiveness. The issue with PGM's is finding environment rich targets. In perspective :
I realize that but we have to remember what ended Vietnam was the non stop bombings of the north even in wwII without the total non atop bombing campaign Germany would have fought on much longer and don't forget the massive intimidating sight of a large formation of bombers brings to the table
I also forgot that the formation probably is loaded with pgms also
Brumby
Major
The issue with ISIL is totally different. During WW2, (i)there was no PGM's; and (ii)it was conventional warfare. The present war is directed at ISIL and not the people in general. Massive plane formation don't intimidate ideologues who are prepared to blow themselves up. It is just an express ticket to heaven for them.
Therefore we should honor their wishes and a large formation of bombers with their ordinance is a good way of doing that very thing
Brumby not meaning to say it's right but i.intimidation can go along way toward turning the civilian population against Isis or any enemy for that matter but I am afraid the only way to totally defeat Isis is by boots on the ground and that I just don't see happening under this or any democrat admin not even if we.are attacked our selves which could happen at any time
Brumby
Major
Boots on the ground is a military solution to a political problem. Herein lies the impediment. If military solution was the answer, the boots would have been there. There are lessons from Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. We just need to learn from history. Unfortunate as it is, Assad remains the most viable political solution from a set of bad choices.
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plawolf
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I am repeating what I have said before, because I am not saying this just because of the strong emotion I feel because of this latest terrorist outrage, I believe this is the truth, and the sooner the world wakes up to it, the better!
You guys are sadly mistaken if you think you can or want to negotiate with something like ISIS.
Their core ideology is simply fundamentally incompatible with the values, rules, laws and even morals of the rest of the world.
These people are on a Holly Crusade, and will not stop until they have converted or killed every last man, woman and child on earth who do not share their particular, perverted version of Islam.
To them, fellow Muslims who do not share their interpretation are heretics, while everyone else is an infidel. They wish to covert everyone else, and anyone who will not convert they will kill, brutally and mercilessly.
As hard as it is for the west to comprehend and reconciled, these people are, both in terms of morals and ideology, stuck in the dark ages, and seek to bring those times back to the entire world.
There can be no reasoning or negotiating with them, they will only negotiate a peace to stop themselves from loosing. They will use the time peace buys them to lick their wounds, build their strength, plan and prepare so they could come at us again.
Against this foe, the only real solution is to kill them all. Its as simple as that because they have made it so. Its them or us as far as they are concerned.
The world really needs to wake up to this reality and act soon, before they can finish polluting the innocent young minds of future generations with their fowl ideology from birth.
If you think converted terrorists are fanatical and terrible enough, you do not want to know what someone raise from birth to be the ultimate terrorist would be like.
We need to go in and drive them out of their strong holds, hunt them down and root them out of all their hideouts, make sure there is no hideout no safe haven for them anywhere on earth. But more importantly, we need to liberate all those ISIS have terrorised and enslaved, especially the children they have stolen or sired, before their young innocent minds are irrevocably tainted by ISIS' evil.
We do not want to be in the situation where we waited so long to do what we should and must, that when we finally put down the last ISIS fighter, we are left with hundreds or even thousands of young children who we know will grow up to be terrorists no matter how much consoling, love and help we give them.
The logical thing to do would be to put them down as well. But no civilized person could do such a thing. That means that in order to truly defeat ISIS, we need to win this before we are faced with such an impossible choice.
I do not know when such a thing will become impossible to avoid, but I do know that time is fast running out if we want to avoid it. If its not too late already.
You guys are sadly mistaken if you think you can or want to negotiate with something like ISIS.
Their core ideology is simply fundamentally incompatible with the values, rules, laws and even morals of the rest of the world.
These people are on a Holly Crusade, and will not stop until they have converted or killed every last man, woman and child on earth who do not share their particular, perverted version of Islam.
To them, fellow Muslims who do not share their interpretation are heretics, while everyone else is an infidel. They wish to covert everyone else, and anyone who will not convert they will kill, brutally and mercilessly.
As hard as it is for the west to comprehend and reconciled, these people are, both in terms of morals and ideology, stuck in the dark ages, and seek to bring those times back to the entire world.
There can be no reasoning or negotiating with them, they will only negotiate a peace to stop themselves from loosing. They will use the time peace buys them to lick their wounds, build their strength, plan and prepare so they could come at us again.
Against this foe, the only real solution is to kill them all. Its as simple as that because they have made it so. Its them or us as far as they are concerned.
The world really needs to wake up to this reality and act soon, before they can finish polluting the innocent young minds of future generations with their fowl ideology from birth.
If you think converted terrorists are fanatical and terrible enough, you do not want to know what someone raise from birth to be the ultimate terrorist would be like.
We need to go in and drive them out of their strong holds, hunt them down and root them out of all their hideouts, make sure there is no hideout no safe haven for them anywhere on earth. But more importantly, we need to liberate all those ISIS have terrorised and enslaved, especially the children they have stolen or sired, before their young innocent minds are irrevocably tainted by ISIS' evil.
We do not want to be in the situation where we waited so long to do what we should and must, that when we finally put down the last ISIS fighter, we are left with hundreds or even thousands of young children who we know will grow up to be terrorists no matter how much consoling, love and help we give them.
The logical thing to do would be to put them down as well. But no civilized person could do such a thing. That means that in order to truly defeat ISIS, we need to win this before we are faced with such an impossible choice.
I do not know when such a thing will become impossible to avoid, but I do know that time is fast running out if we want to avoid it. If its not too late already.
