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weig2000 said:

Going directly to the main island is without the doubt the right strategy.

From the landing standpoint, central Taiwan is the best selection, better than the northern part. The only problem is Penghui stands in the way. So the conventional way to take over Taiwan is first to take over Penghui, which was the case for Kangxi Emperor of Qing Dynasty, and Japanese invasion of Taiwan too. Of course, your approach is more daring and unconventional, which depends on the degree of air and sea control, and how much sea lift it has. It could work.

Yes, I'm also thinking from pure military operations standpoint, ignoring politics and everything else, which is very interesting.

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You got to seize the "beach head" and emplace all the IAD at the port and APOD/SPOD ASAP. In any invasion plan, shock and deception is the key. Otherwise even rag tag Panamanians can shred Navy Seals.

Hence, I would use the Norther Naval Task Force (which I used to create a corridor) as a feint, suggesting that I would take Taipei first. This has the added advantage of "locking" enemy assets into Taipei. I can then cut the fuel, and starve out their thirsty Abrams, CM-11 and other armor asset. There is not a lot of room for armor in these urban centers, they either become road block or ATGM magnets.

You use the port to take the APOD, then use the APOD to stream in light and mechanized infantry to reinforce the port. You can dump a BN with one airliner, every 30 minutes.

The hard part would be pushing out from here and not end up a giant magnet for shrapnel.

The rest of the island will have to be a joint op between Type-15 light tank, wheeled apc and air assault infantry, leap frogging to establish choke points into and out the the cities, using Z-20 and Z-10s, plus CH-5, GJ-11.

I would push the drones ahead. Then push Z-10, followed by Z-20 with Z-10 on overwatch. Mech infantry would then set up base of fire and checkpoint on the low ground.

You will need at least 2-3 brigade for a small city like Taoyun.

Again, I only need a base of fire and defensive AO on the North and South end of an urban area. No need to enter. I will dispense aid and medical support from this perimeter, building up rapport.

If you look at OIF1, you realize that 18 ABN planned a long dragged out urban fight in Baghdad, and never really planned the subsequent AO and AA for each BDE and BN. I think PLA would show how meticulous Asians are when it comes down to planning (down to where troops need to go take a shit) and make US look like amateurs.

steel21 said:

You got to seize the "beach head" and emplace all the IAD at the port and APOD/SPOD ASAP. In any invasion plan, shock and deception is the key. Otherwise even rag tag Panamanians can shred Navy Seals.

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Hence, I would use the Norther Naval Task Force (which I used to create a corridor) as a feint, suggesting that I would take Taipei first. This has the added advantage of "locking" enemy assets into Taipei. I can then cut the fuel, and starve out their thirsty Abrams, CM-11 and other armor asset. There is not a lot of room for armor in these urban centers, they either become road block or ATGM magnets.

You use the port to take the APOD, then use the APOD to stream in light and mechanized infantry to reinforce the port. You can dump a BN with one airliner, every 30 minutes.

The hard part would be pushing out from here and not end up a giant magnet for shrapnel.

The rest of the island will have to be a joint op between Type-15 light tank, wheeled apc and air assault infantry, leap frogging to establish choke points into and out the the cities, using Z-20 and Z-10s, plus CH-5, GJ-11.

I would push the drones ahead. Then push Z-10, followed by Z-20 with Z-10 on overwatch. Mech infantry would then set up base of fire and checkpoint on the low ground.

You will need at least 2-3 brigade for a small city like Taoyun.

If you look at OIF1, you realize that 18 ABN planned a long dragged out urban fight in Baghdad, and never really planned the subsequent AO and AA for each BDE and BN. I think PLA would show how meticulous Asians are when it comes down to planning (down to where troops need to go take a shit) and make US look like amateurs.

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Is this good platform to simulate scenario

steel21 said:

If you look at OIF1, you realize that 18 ABN planned a long dragged out urban fight in Baghdad, and never really planned the subsequent AO and AA for each BDE and BN. I think PLA would show how meticulous Asian are when it comes down to planning (down to where troops need to go take a shit) and make US look like amateurs.

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The meticulous planning part is right on; that's part of the Chinese culture. We've seen such examples all the time in all areas.

Also, never in the history of PLA/PRC do they have so many hi-tech toys to play with.

quantumlight said:

Is this good platform to simulate scenario

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CIMANO is good for war at sea and air.

Nothing really replicates urban assault and how social dynamic will work out on the ground.

That being said, I would resource as much as I can and get it done right, the first time. There will be no surge of 2006.

weig2000 said:

The meticulous planning part is right on; that's part of the Chinese culture. We've seen such examples all the time in all areas.

Also, never in the history of PLA/PRC do they have so many hi-tech toys to play with.

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Also improvisation.

Which is how I plan to use my fishing trawler and container fleet to mitigate threats from MK48 and ASCAMs.

tupolevtu144 said:

personally i think there is without doubt that there will be a small group of extremely determined civilians who are willing conduct guerilla warfare (such as FLG-influenced people and hardcore pan-green people)

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Guerilla warfare only works if the people are overwhelmingly on your side. As a guerilla, you need to hide; if enough people hate you (you'll be doing terrorist things, after all), you will be outed by the local population and destroyed by the police.

tupolevtu144 said:

can we go back to topic and talk about taiwan's military, news, reports and data before we get banned for going off-topic?

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Yeah. We all good.

Here is the top US military general himself saying what we have known for so long

“I think China has a ways to go to develop the actual, no-kidding capability to conduct military operations to seize, through military means, the entire island of Taiwan, if they wanted to do that,”

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“There’s no reason to do it militarily, and they know that. So, I think the probability is probably low, in the immediate, near-term future.”

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“The PLA currently lacks the required amphibious lift, logistics, and materiel for a robust cross-Strait invasion and shows no urgency to achieve it,” Andrew Erickson, a professor at the US Naval War College, wrote on Monday.

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This confirms my guess that the PLA is not thinking about invading Taiwan any time soon. Their procurements are not supporting that thinking

Nutrient said:

Guerilla warfare only works if the people are overwhelmingly on your side. As a guerilla, you need to hide; if enough people hate you (you'll be doing terrorist things, after all), you will be outed by the local population and destroyed by the police.

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Yup. There is no magic to counter insurgency. It was fucking amazing it took the US army better part of a decade to figure out that it is a matter of carrots and sticks. When I was a LT in Stryker RSTA back in 2004 to 2005, I told my guys that we needed to eventually sit down with these terrorists, and everyone looked at me like I had a dick growing out of my forehead.

It took thousands of lives and 4 star general to do the fucking obvious.

Unfortunately for the Taiwanese, the PLA suffer none of the disadvantages that the US Joint Force suffer in a expeditionary operation. For one, the general populace knows that China will NEVER leave, and they can rotate as many troops as they need to (there will be economic trade offs). Also, the Chinese agents will look and sound just like them, not some corn fed mofo from Arkansas walking the streets of Tel Afar.

Hence, the ability of the guerilla to hide is reduced, as is their support in the general populace, since everyone knows that the PLA will out last the insurgents.

“I think China has a ways to go to develop the actual, no-kidding capability to conduct military operations to seize, through military means, the entire island of Taiwan, if they wanted to do that,”

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I don't know the GO's name (there are plenty of retarded GOs, Boykin and Flynn are good examples), but these retire dudes think of conventional/doctrinal capabilities. When you get out of the business of operational management (BN and BDE command), people become ossified by the budget battles. There is very little operational art that is really learned after you reach about O5, after that it is all strategy, politics and budgets.

I need only to create a defensible bastion on the island (Tai Chung) with the ability to call in indirect smart munitions and drone, plus the ability to raid, using vertical lift at night to create the level of apprehension that segment the opposition, especially since all of Taiwan is mostly on the Western seaboard and sequentially aligned. Which means if I choke a city in the string, there is no way to logistical nor operational support a beleaguered ROC force.

Taiwan is a ripe for light infantry work. While it is sub-optimal to put 100s of fire team in a Toyota Sienna or a Camry, I can do wonders without armor. Without amassing large number of armor (which drones and Z-10 can handle), I need only to take a major airport to beam in infantry using chartered airliner and rental cars. I can then use my C4IAr dominance to curb stomp any opposition.



The other aspect to consider is how fucking weak ROC military is. I don't need to reach CENTCOME level of ORBAT to take it down. The whole place right now is ripe as fuck for a door kicking.

voyager1 said:

Here is the top US military general himself saying what we have known for so long
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This confirms my guess that the PLA is not thinking about invading Taiwan any time soon. Their procurements are not supporting that thinking

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They are talking bunk. China could invade Taiwan successfully right now if they wanted to. Chinese rocket artillery has enough range to hit the whole of Taiwan island from the mainland. You just need something to paint the targets. China is the largest drone manufacturer in the world. China's air force would also easily wipe the floor with the Taiwanese one and the F-16V purchase will not change the picture. Somehow people think a Taiwanese land invasion would be a repeat of D-Day, or something like that, I think it would be more like the US invasion of Haiti some years ago.