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tupolevtu144

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tupolevtu, thanks for all the pictures. Where on the plan are the TC-II launchers - are they in box-launchers in the central area next to the HF-IIs and HF-IIIs or somewhere else?

Also is it confirmed that they'll now have 4 x HF-IIIs? Most of the articles I've read still say 8 HF-IIs and 8 HF-IIIs, albeit that could be old information based on the original design.
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Here's the official render: So the missile canister layout from front to back is as follows: 2 HF-II+ 2 HF-II (pointing right), 4x2 TC-II + 2 HF-III (pointing left), 4x2 TC-II + 2 HF-III (pointing right), 2 HF-II+ 2 HF-II (pointing left)
 

weig2000

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Ambassador Chas Freeman is a veteran diplomat. He was the chief-interpreter for President Nixon when Nixon visited China in 1972. In this recent speech, he has given a nuanced view of the US-China-Taiwan relationships, both the history and the current state-of-affairs, as well as future implications.

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War with China over Taiwan?


Remarks to a Salon of the Committee for the Republic


Ambassador Chas W. Freeman, Jr. (USFS, Ret.)
By video link from Washington, DC 17 December 2020


Taiwan is an established American foreign policy success story that appears to be nearing the end of its shelf life. Management of the Taiwan question has long been the key to peace or war – possibly nuclear war – between the United States and China. Now, the door may be closing to peace.


The essence of the Taiwan question is what political relationship should and can the two sides of the Taiwan Strait have with each other? This question is a legacy of the Chinese civil war, the Cold War, the strategically dictated rapprochement between Washington and Beijing, the U.S. habit of substituting military deterrence for diplomacy, and the American attraction to strategy-free, values-based foreign policy. Given the stakes for Americans, the question of how best to balance relations with Taiwan and the China mainland demands informed judgments and adroit statecraft.
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Ambassador Chas Freeman is a veteran diplomat. He was the chief-interpreter for President Nixon when Nixon visited China in 1972. In this recent speech, he has given a nuanced view of the US-China-Taiwan relationships, both the history and the current state-of-affairs, as well as future implications.

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That's definitely the realest and most clear headed take on the current trajectory of the situation I've read in a long time.

It's a shame that many current diplomats and IR pundits don't have this level of geopolitical maturity. Freeman really is from a different era of competence.
 

localizer

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Ambassador Chas Freeman is a veteran diplomat. He was the chief-interpreter for President Nixon when Nixon visited China in 1972. In this recent speech, he has given a nuanced view of the US-China-Taiwan relationships, both the history and the current state-of-affairs, as well as future implications.

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I like these points that were iterated by LKY before:
On the other hand, they have had many decades to pursue a strategy toward the mainland that might preserve their autonomy without American military backing. They have not done so. Instead of facing the ineluctable realities of their dilemma, they have counted on a Hollywood-style rescue from it by the naval equivalent of the U.S. Cavalry.

If U.S. recovery of Taiwan were successful, the mainland would just bide its time, rebuild its strength, and try again.

As long as the people of Taiwan continue to believe that they have a blank check from the United States that they can fill out in American blood, they will free feel to temporize.

Taiwan strategy ain't much different from Falungong.
 
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Gatekeeper

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I like these points that were iterated by LKY before:






Taiwan strategy ain't much different from Falungong.

From what I read, it was quite an honest and Frank take on the history and current situation.

I do take issue with his obligatory take on Hong Kong and Xinjian. But apart from that it was quite refreshing to hear an American admitting quite a few home truth. Particularly those that often come from ignorant members here. Below I though says it all.

"In 1979, as the Taiwan Relations Act (TRA) noted, the United States “terminated governmental relations with the governing authorities on Taiwan.” The TRA was enacted to enable Americans to sustain our ties with the people of Taiwan without “governmental relations.” But it is hard to argue that, in most respects, such relations have not now been restored.

By progressively going back on its word, Washington has established a reputation in China for faithlessness that precludes anyone there trusting further American commitments"
 

localizer

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From what I read, it was quite an honest and Frank take on the history and current situation.

I do take issue with his obligatory take on Hong Kong and Xinjian. But apart from that it was quite refreshing to hear an American admitting quite a few home truth. Particularly those that often come from ignorant members here. Below I though says it all.

"In 1979, as the Taiwan Relations Act (TRA) noted, the United States “terminated governmental relations with the governing authorities on Taiwan.” The TRA was enacted to enable Americans to sustain our ties with the people of Taiwan without “governmental relations.” But it is hard to argue that, in most respects, such relations have not now been restored.

By progressively going back on its word, Washington has established a reputation in China for faithlessness that precludes anyone there trusting further American commitments"

The recent Administration's actions and subsequent close reelection demonstrates that the risks the author described are very real. US foreign policy is actually becoming less stable.

The hawks can easily win again in 2024 and collide with Xi's Taiwan plans.
 
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Gatekeeper

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The recent Administration's actions and subsequent close reelection demonstrates that the risks the author described are very real. US foreign policy is actually becoming less stable.

The hawks can easily win again in 2024 and collide with Xi's Taiwan plans.

The risks have always been there. It's just that its hidden before, but with Trump's antics it's now more transparent.

I repeat above:

"By progressively going back on its word, Washington has established a reputation in China for faithlessness that precludes anyone there trusting further American commitments"
 

ansy1968

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The risks have always been there. It's just that its hidden before, but with Trump's antics it's now more transparent.

I repeat above:

"By progressively going back on its word, Washington has established a reputation in China for faithlessness that precludes anyone there trusting further American commitments"
Hi Gatekeeper,

The same thing happen with Russia regarding NATO east ward expansion and Ukraine. the reason for China and Russia rapprochement.
 

Gatekeeper

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Hi Gatekeeper,

The same thing happen with Russia regarding NATO east ward expansion and Ukraine. the reason for China and Russia rapprochement.

Yes indeed. Which is why China should never let their guards down. These western countries can never be trusted. They have history of going back on their words.
 
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