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TerraN_EmpirE

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You somehow see a closer resemblance between T50 and F16 but not the KF-X with F-22 or F-35? Not even the koreans would claim this jet to be completely indigenous.
The engine is a licensed 414. I admit that. But the percentage of Made in Korea is higher vs T50
 

lgnxz

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The engine is a licensed 414. I admit that. But the percentage of Made in Korea is higher vs T50
Not only engines but the armaments as well are completely foreign, and the rest majority are jointly developed. The only thing that's completely indigenous in this plane are the avionics, and this also have to be forced because apparently there is issue with the US government preventing the technology transfer to those specific techs instead of an initiative from the koreans themselves.

I don't know to what extend the T50 design input is from the korean input or american, but for me its design pass the eyeball test of indigeneity even compared to your claimed resemblance the F-16, at least imo it's not as blatant as the KF-X similarity to the american stealth jets.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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First The wing. The Wing of T50 is derived from F16. The configuration resembles an Early offering for F16 as well.
Next yes but then again many aircraft share sub systems and international contractors.
And KFX does look like a baby raptor just as J20 looks like F22 crossed with Eurofighter, FC31 looks like F35 with double engines. And Pretty much every Chinese fighter shares Russians engines.
 

silentlurker

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Another example - between 2016 and 2019 ROKS Dokdo was operational at average for about 245 days. And there's nothing wrong with at least this number. However, here's how she spent those 245 days (average per year):
- anchored at base: 166 days
- underway: 79 days
Out of those 79 days:
- 32 on event support
- 18 on landing operations training
What is your source on this?
 

ougoah

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Of course the weapons are American. Why would or should they not be. Which American contractor helped develop the fighter? I think even if there are any, their role doesn't diminish the impressive effort and result from the South Koreans. Making something that looks the part isn't that hard. Not saying this isn't going to be a highly capable and effective fighter.

SK will soon be the fourth country on the planet to induct a 5th gen fighter. That's damn impressive considering its size and available budget.
 

lgnxz

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Next yes but then again many aircraft share sub systems and international contractors.
And that's fine, but I won't call the said aircraft to be a very much owned by a single x country, rather it's jointly developed. Again, not even the koreans claim this plane to be completely indigenous, why would you give this exaggerated and unwanted praise for them? They even put another country's flag during this premature unveiling ceremony, though imo it should've been the american flag given that indonesia pretty much contribute nothing to the program.
KFX does look like a baby raptor just as J20 looks like F22 crossed with Eurofighter, FC31 looks like F35 with double engines
We still don't know how the final look of FC-31 since it's a tech demo afterall, I'll give you that it does look similar to the F-35. However, the comparison of KF-X and J-20 to F-22 is just a comparison with major reductionist silliness. The level of indigeneity of those 2 birds are also currently on a different level.
Of course the weapons are American. Why would or should they not be. Which American contractor helped develop the fighter?
Well of course I won't blame the koreans when they have help available to them and take the given opportunity, I just dislike the narrative that paints the project as if it doesn't get a lot of help from foreign contractor, and it does, from lockheed martin. Source:
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(this on in particular has a detailed timeline about the project and subjects that are involved in it)
SK will soon be the fourth country on the planet to induct a 5th gen fighter.
If you're referencing the second block of KF-X with internal bay then sure, though it's decades away and who knows what will happen. If you're referencing the current state of the plane then no, it's not a 5th gen fighter, again not even the koreans would claim it to be the case.
 

ougoah

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Well of course I won't blame the koreans when they have help available to them and take the given opportunity, I just dislike the narrative that paints the project as if it doesn't get a lot of help from foreign contractor, and it does, from lockheed martin. Source:
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(this on in particular has a detailed timeline about the project and subjects that are involved in it)

If you're referencing the second block of KF-X with internal bay then sure, though it's decades away and who knows what will happen. If you're referencing the current state of the plane then no, it's not a 5th gen fighter, again not even the koreans would claim it to be the case.

Well their primary purpose is still to deliver a capable platform before any other concern. In that respect, using American suppliers and receiving assistance, makes the process faster and control the risks better. I don't think it takes anything away from the effort.

I get that people slam J-20 simply because it's Chinese and it's far more of an indigenous effort even if looks are concerned. In any case, looks are the last thing that matters for the primary purpose. It may be a little bit revealing but that's all and they all look the part.

Copying looks doesn't mean shit. I could make an RC that resembles a J-20 but it won't be the same effectiveness.

There is no such narrative that paints this as if it doesn't take ideas and general stealth shaping rules from LockMart. In fact many westerners are slamming it and hating on it for these reasons. Not all but enough to make you realise it's just how it's going to be. And again considering South Korea's available resources to devote to such a program, they've delivered immensely. They got there even before Japan (okay Japan will be using their own high thrust engine and an impressive one) and certainly much sooner than any other with vaporware brochures, wind tunnel models, and powerpoint claims.

Koreans can and should feel proud of the achievement.
 

lgnxz

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In that respect, using American suppliers and receiving assistance, makes the process faster and control the risks better. I don't think it takes anything away from the effort.
It does take away from the effort though? You received help from a project, of course it elevates the burden, your statement is contradicting each other logically. And in term of risks, receiving foreign help does reduce the development risks but increase risks of the continuous production, operation, and maintenance of the aircrafts. It's a tradeoff that's well known between indigenous and nonindigenous projects.
I get that people slam J-20 simply because it's Chinese and it's far more of an indigenous effort even if looks are concerned. In any case, looks are the last thing that matters for the primary purpose. It may be a little bit revealing but that's all and they all look the part.

Copying looks doesn't mean shit. I could make an RC that resembles a J-20 but it won't be the same effectiveness.
Not even gonna bother with this tired discussion.
There is no such narrative that paints this as if it doesn't take ideas and general stealth shaping rules from LockMart. In fact many westerners are slamming it and hating on it for these reasons. Not all but enough to make you realise it's just how it's going to be. And again considering South Korea's available resources to devote to such a program, they've delivered immensely. They got there even before Japan (okay Japan will be using their own high thrust engine and an impressive one) and certainly much sooner than any other with vaporware brochures, wind tunnel models, and powerpoint claims.
The first statement that I responded to doesn't seem to be the case though, as it tries to dismiss the american's fingerprints that are all over the planes.
Koreans can and should feel proud of the achievement.
Don't count the chickens before they hatch is all I have to say.
 

derf1600

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Good to see ROK bulking up its helicopter force. Will be interesting to see if they gain the operational capacity they are aiming at with this purchase.
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