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joshuatree

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Naruebet is the smallest carrier out there and it was buil to the old US "Sea Control Carrier" concept.

Too bad they could not keep their Harriers active on it.

I doubt they will ever be able to afford the F-35s.

But they might be able to pick up some Harriers at a good price from India or Spain or Italy or something like that.

How about some A4 Skyhawks? With the limited number, what mission purpose will any fighters taking off from Narubet serve? Would it make sense for COIN operations and use turboprops instead like Super Tucanos? Or go the other direction and use Narubet more for UAV operations?
 

FORBIN

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Naruebet is the smallest carrier out there and it was buil to the old US "Sea Control Carrier" concept.

Too bad they could not keep their Harriers active on it.

I doubt they will ever be able to afford the F-35s.

But they might be able to pick up some Harriers at a good price from India or Spain or Italy or something like that.
Definitely not Indians more old in more, Spain use again up to minimum 2025 much better Italy sure AV-8B+ replaced by F-35B but almost sure they have no plans for, used as helos carriers mainly for ASW and Amphibious Assault with max 450 troops, can host up to 14 helos.
 

SouthernSky

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Well, the now have three Hamilton Class cutters that have been convetrted into frigates for them. They REALLY need to get some ASMs on those ships.

They also signed a contract awarding the buildinf 2-4 Incheon class frigates from Korea to Hyundai. These will be their most capable units once they have them.

That have a number of smaller corvettes and FACs but they remain the weakest nay in the region.

Going to be an interesting time over the next few years is all I'll say. Perceptions may change fairly quickly.

I'm seeing some unflattering, whilst unsubstantiated reports about the man at the helm and his views about the US in local media this evening. Not to mention what has already been substantiated in the past few weeks.

There will come a time where losses are cut if things continue on this sort of trajectory.
 
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FORBIN

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Frigate of 2nd rank less potent but main advantage affordable for counties in this area which have now enough decent budgets but they are not rich.

First SIGMA 10514 PKR Frigate for Indonesian Navy (TNI AL) Completes Sea Trials

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Jeff Head

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Frigate of 2nd rank less potent but main advantage affordable for counties in this area which have now enough decent budgets but they are not rich.

First SIGMA 10514 PKR Frigate for Indonesian Navy (TNI AL) Completes Sea Trials

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These two vessels will be excellent additions to the Indonesian Navy.

They will compliment the four Sigma 9113 vessels they have which displace 1,700 tons, the three BAE System F2000 ships they got when Brunei reneged on the deal, each of which displace 2,000 tons, and the aging Van-Speijk frigates that were sold to Indonesia when they went out of service with the Netherlands.

With these two vessels., the Indonesian Navy will have 15 frigates class vessels.

These vessels are said to:

Displace: 2,400 tons
Length: 345 ft.
Beam: 46 ft.
Draft: 12.3 ft.
1 x 76mm DP Main Gun
12 x VLS (either Mica or Aster 15)
8 x Exocet MM40 SSMs
1 x Deck and hangar for a 10 ton ASW helicopter
Either:
1 x 35mm autocannon which is coupled with the Aster missiles
or:
A phalanx 20MM CIWS, and ASW Mortat system, and the MICA missile

The Indonesians also have 16 ASW corvettes that were an East German Design that they bought afte the fall of the soviet Union. They are small coastal ASW corvettes that displace about 900 tons each.

But these vessels are going to be nice and the most modern and capable ships (IMHO) of the INdonesia Navy. Here are some stills from the video:

Indonesia-Sigma-10514-FFG-01.jpg Indonesia-Sigma-10514-FFG-05.jpg Indonesia-Sigma-10514-FFG-04.jpg Indonesia-Sigma-10514-FFG-07.jpg Indonesia-Sigma-10514-FFG-08.jpg Indonesia-Sigma-10514-FFG-06.jpg
 

Jeff Head

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Going to be an interesting time over the next few years is all I'll say. Perceptions may change fairly quickly.

I'm seeing some unflattering, whilst unsubstantiated reports about the man at the helm and his views about the US in local media this evening.

There will come a time where losses are cut if things continue on this sort of trajectory.
If Duterte keeps up with this, "I am no fan of America," and "US Special Forces fighting Al Queda backed rebels have to go," and despite all the help, and new ships they are getting tells us he is going to pursue and independent policy making deals with others who are at odds with the US...well then, he is free to do that.

But the US can easily stop sending parts, help, training, and any more equipment as a consequence.

Actions and words have meaning. I believe the people of the philippines will vote him out f he goes too far.

HAving said that, with the terrible drug problems they have there, if the people demand that more severe action be taken to stop it, and this President does that...as long as he decreases the drug problem and fights the artels and dealers...then the US and others should not try and force him to go easy on the thugs, murders, and dealers that are helping destroy their country.

Obama stirred up a hornets nest by siding with those condemning the man for doing what the people elected him to do in a very dangerous and out of control situation.

But I am getting way O now and too political.

/rant
 

KIENCHIN

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Duterte does not have to worry about being re-elected because the Philippines constitution allows only one term and that is for 6 years, the expatriate filipinos I had spoken to has high hopes on him. Finally they hope to have a president that would clean up the mess it is in now and with his track record on bringing peace and development to his home of Mindano, I hope so too because the filipinos are one of the most talented and resourceful people I know and they deserve a break, and join the rest of ASEAN towards prosperity. Those who had work in the Philippines would understand, I was there on a job for INTEL not long after the the US pull out from SUBIC
 

hlcc

Junior Member
HAving said that, with the terrible drug problems they have there, if the people demand that more severe action be taken to stop it, and this President does that...as long as he decreases the drug problem and fights the artels and dealers...then the US and others should not try and force him to go easy on the thugs, murders, and dealers that are helping destroy their country.

Obama stirred up a hornets nest by siding with those condemning the man for doing what the people elected him to do in a very dangerous and out of control situation.

But I am getting way O now and too political.

/rant

People have problem with HOW he's clamping down on the drug problem. Philippines is consistently ranked as a "Highly Corrupt" country by Transparency International, people are worried that the increasingly rampant summary executions by both the police & vigilante groups are not only against drug dealers but also the result of personal vendettas, extortion etc. Just look at what's happening in Pakistan with their blasphemy law, people are using it to settle all kinds of personal vendettas, for monetary gains etc.
 

Jeff Head

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People have problem with HOW he's clamping down on the drug problem. Philippines is consistently ranked as a "Highly Corrupt" country by Transparency International, people are worried that the increasingly rampant summary executions by both the police & vigilante groups are not only against drug dealers but also the result of personal vendettas, extortion etc. Just look at what's happening in Pakistan with their blasphemy law, people are using it to settle all kinds of personal vendettas, for monetary gains etc.
Well, if that is going on, then hopefully the people will correct it at the next election...or if it gets bad enough, through judicial process before.
 
EDIT OH I'M SORRY FORBIN, JEFF ONLY NOW I NOTICED
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/so...s-reports-data-etc.t5809/page-147#post-415148
and
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/so...s-reports-data-etc.t5809/page-147#post-415177
CREDIT GOES TO YOU GUYS, BUT I'LL LEAVE HERE WHAT I ALREADY POSTED OK?:

after a break :)
Feb 12, 2016
the best description I was able to find quickly is in
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First SIGMA 10514 PKR frigate for Indonesian Navy completes sea trials
13 September 2016

The first of two
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naval frigates for the Indonesian Navy has successfully completed its sea trials as of 7 September. This is a major milestone on a project for which the first steel was cut in January 2014.


The assessment phase began with seven days of basin trials to ensure that the propulsion and safety systems were fully operational before the vessel made the challenging passage from the PT PAL shipyard in Surabaya to the open waters of the Java Sea. There then followed two weeks of sea trials that included tests of a weapons system and the combat radar and commissioning of the sonar. Noise measurements and cavitation observations were also carried out.

The trials were successful, with almost all the systems passing their assessments first time around. Some elements, such as the accommodation, require minor modifications and these will be undertaken prior to three days of final tests at the end of September.

Flexibility through innovation

The 105-metre, 2,365 tonne PKR frigates are designed to undertake a wide range of missions in and around the waters of Indonesia. Their primary mission is anti-air, anti-surface and anti-submarine warfare. However, they are also equipped for maritime security, search and rescue, and humanitarian support tasks.

The two vessels have been/are being been built using a collaborative modular process operating simultaneously at
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in the Netherlands and PT PAL shipyard in Indonesia. Each is made up of six modules, and for the first vessel four of these were built at PT PAL. The other two were built and fully tested at DSNS in the Netherlands before being shipped for final assembly at PT PAL.

The success of the programme rested on the two yards working together with the end client operating almost as a single unit. The strong relationship also allowed the massive technology-transfer programme to proceed smoothly, both in Indonesia and in the Netherlands.

The first Sigma 10514 is on schedule for delivery at the end of January 2017 following the completion of three months of crew training. Meanwhile, work is currently proceeding in both the Netherlands and Indonesia on the second vessel in the contract.
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in the accompanying video
the most interesting fragment for me :) begins with:
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