South East Asia Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
This is kinda interesting. the South Koreans are Licensed to build there own AAV7A1 vehicles aka the KAAV7A1
BAE Land systems bought the builder of the AAV7A1 United Defense So they Own the AAV7A1 so in this case you had the Licensed Korean AAV7A1 competing against it's Identical cousin the US/British AAV7A1. On top of that the Japanese just inked a Deal for the BAE AAV7A1 RMS. So the Same vehicle competed against it's self and won/Lost.
The Range of the AAV7A1 is about 20NM in the Sea so don't expect a long range operations but it's perfect for crossing short gulfs of water like those between islands in high sea states.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
in later 1920s French Military Board arrived to then-Czechoslovakia to help plan its defense, and while standing around the map, the Chief of that Board said to Czechoslovak Generals something like Only a Minister of Foreign Affairs can defend your country (I think it was off record, but the story is completely believable, especially considering then-Czechoslovakia was gone about ten years after)
I can understand the point of using "pocket aircraft carrier" to increase the reach of Singaporean STOVL aircraft; now during two times two seconds I scrambled this:
which is about one thousand km circle around Singapore; I'm not going to spend two more seconds on my third attempt, so for example Jakarta is, and Surabaya is not, within this circle, Brunei is outside, too, hope it's obvious I'm not talking Singapore-Brunei war here
I don't understand though:
#1 How many "pocket aircraft carriers" do you think Singapore should get?
#2 While operating off "pocket aircraft carriers" from question #1, what would be the main role of the STOVL aircraft? you know, I'm not sure about "the punch" they could deliver, I mean half of a dozen of them (and using them as "air superiority fighters" would be ... optimistic since Flankers have been abundant in the region)
plus I would be interested in answers to questions I asked yesterday
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/so...s-reports-data-etc.t5809/page-132#post-395446
now making it
#3 "the deck, strong enough?"
which FORBIN seems to have answered as
... is he right?
and #4 "how far from Singapore would you send that "pocket aircraft carrier"? which is obviously related to the number of escort vessels
Like what Brumby alluded to, basing aircraft in foreign lands and on carriers allows for retaliatory strike but more importantly it allows for strike from any direction which offers immense strategic advantages in war planning.
While I agree 6-10 F35s won't have a significant 'boom' factor it does however still provide deterrence. Also 6-10 F35s coming from 3 different direction and a main force of say 24-36 F15s can give the opfor a pucker factor. Singapore military doctrine is not so much about any long term offensive operations but rather overwhelming tactical advantages that makes any protagonist think twice about having any ideas.
As far as numbers, certainly more than one. I'm thinking two or maybe even three carriers down the road. $$ is not so much an issue because Singapore is very wealthy and well diversified.
Aside from Naval/air assets, Singapore is always very tight lipped about their defensive capabilities and acquisitions. I know there are rumor floating around about them already having the Iron Dome and likely customer for Iron Beam. Not at all surprising as Singapore has extremely close military relations with Israel
And yes justly i have see BAE have sold 30 to Japan
Jura The idiot
General
from what I quickly figured, their yearly defense budget is very roughly ten billion USD (it's slightly above three % of their GDP) ... what would the price of one "pocket aircraft carrier"? (just the ship so that I don't start to talk F-35
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at this level of spending, they could hardly afford what I kinda suggested
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/so...s-reports-data-etc.t5809/page-133#post-395557
which would be say four submarines with LACMs so that at least one of them was always ready for Judgement Day
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For price difficult coz only "Pocket" aircraft carrier are the Chakri Naruebet ( helo carrier, AV-8 retired but a true little CV and seems Royal yacht ) it is the more small and also the Garibaldi you can add in more the Principe de Asturias about same size retired but build from long time for a price difficult, in fact Navies actually buy big helo carrier about 18/20000 + t.
With 4 Submarines a good Navy have 2/3 deployed about 65+ % disponibilty, good ratio
) it is the more small and also the Garibaldi you can add in more the Principe de Asturias about same size retired but build from long time for a price difficult, in fact Navies actually buy big helo carrier about 18/20000 + t.With 4 Submarines a good Navy have 2/3 deployed about 65+ % disponibilty, good ratio
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kwaigonegin
Colonel
from what I quickly figured, their yearly defense budget is very roughly ten billion USD (it's slightly above three % of their GDP) ... what would the price of one "pocket aircraft carrier"? (just the ship so that I don't start to talk F-35
EDIT
at this level of spending, they could hardly afford what I kinda suggested
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/so...s-reports-data-etc.t5809/page-133#post-395557
which would be say four submarines with LACMs so that at least one of them was always ready for Judgement Day
Countries like Singapore runs their defense budget very lean and efficient... meaning they get their $s worth. On locally produce products, $1 spent on defense in a country like Singapore gets you a LOT more than say $1 spent in US DoD or many European nations and certainly countries like Saudi etc.
Singapore is also very secretive (like Israel) when it comes to defense spending. Whatever that is officially reported I can almost guarantee you is on the low side of actual spending.
A lot of 'cost' goes to labor unions, contracts, kickbacks, management overhead, inefficient supply chain, vendors etc. You can save a lot of $$$ if you significantly reduce or eliminate these type of waste.
Since the carrier would most likely be indigenous and locally produce the price tag would be affordable. Also since carriers take a few years to built the price is therefore amortized more efficiently.
A 'pocket carrier' as you call it can be had for I think less than $1B. Cheaper if more are built due to economies of scale.
As a comparison their formidable class frigates (more like destroyer IMHO) was speculated to have been acquired for about 1$B and that includes ToT and other fees since it was loosely based on La Fremm. Now I'm not sure if that tag includes the subsystems etc however even if it does not, it's still considerably cheaper than European or US ships since they were locally produced for the most part.
IHMO a pocket carrier that is domestically produced will certainly not cost more than 6 stealth frigates like the Formidable class .
Formidable is variant of La Fayette and a true Frigate very capable, well armed in particular able to be armed with Aster-30 but completely a Frigate not a Destroyer for size, mission and armament.
... have 2/3 operationnals/ready for duty, deployed is a other things.
Jura The idiot
General
I perhaps should start hoping Singapore will build Pocket Aircraft Carriers and this term sticks hahaha joking aside, I'm not sure if such a carrier wouldn't be more a vulnerability than an asset, I doubt Flankers with X-31 AShMs could be hold off by STOVL aircraft (max. range of X-31 is higher than of Aster AAM if you wanted to used Formidable-class escorts) and one hit would mean a mission kill, are my thoughts while looking at:
kwaigonegin
Colonel
Yes, honest error on my part.. I had meant to say La Fayette.. NOT La Fremm! thanks for keeping me honest!