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manqiangrexue

Brigadier
LOL What? Technology to blow up the world? Maybe they do; maybe they don't. China, US, Russia, France, Britain, etc... already do. But claiming you have the technology for something, and actually building what's necessary are way off from each other. Plus, Japan has a unique restraint that these other nations don't: even if she had the technology and wanted to build it, she has to ask her master for permission LOL
 
... Threat assessments and scenario planning are very specific. ...
yes, and this is why I refrain from answering on the board (not to discuss "specific war scenario" as it would be against SDF Rules), but I may take it to Private Messages later: let's see what, if anything,
kwaigonegin
says ... I wonder if I'll have to reconsider my views on Naval Aviation as so far I can't see why a tiny island wouldn't keep the aircraft in hardened shelters :) but this topic sure interests me, by the way I recently read about the post-WW1 discussions in the Royal Navy, which were quite fascinating, questioning pretty much anything related to Naval Aviation ... but I don't want to go off topic
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
yes, and this is why I refrain from answering on the board (not to discuss "specific war scenario" as it would be against SDF Rules), but I may take it to Private Messages later: let's see what, if anything,
kwaigonegin
says ... I wonder if I'll have to reconsider my views on Naval Aviation as so far I can't see why a tiny island wouldn't keep the aircraft in hardened shelters :) but this topic sure interests me, by the way I recently read about the post-WW1 discussions in the Royal Navy, which were quite fascinating, questioning pretty much anything related to Naval Aviation ... but I don't want to go off topic

Singapore base a lot of it's assets in foreign lands including Leo2s in Australia and F15s @ Mountain Home AFB to name a few. While they are use mainly for training (since land is scarce on the island) there are also many strategic reasons why that is.

For one... an opfor has to pretty much attack the mainland US and Australia to take out these Singaporean assets which most likely would not happen.

These assets could be use for flanking or counterattacks maneuvres. If Singapore keeps ALL her assets on a tiny piece of island and there is a blockade then it's all over. This is another reason why a carrier may prove useful. It allows the war planners to have exponentially more options even in a defensive posture when you have air assets deployed far away from your homeland.

Countries like Malaysia, Indonesia etc are mainly surrounded by waters as well. Air assets from a carrier can easily reach all targets located within the borders and allow incoming from any direction as oppose to just from a couple of well known land bases.

Basing military assets and personnels overseas also foster good bilateral relationships and strenghtens commitment to each other.

At this point in time I do not believe Singapore is at any risk from her 'Muslim' neighbors due to her military might, a very smart strategic deployment of assets and deep relationships with countries like the US, Isreal and Australia etc. The only potential threat is from PRC but that is nothing immediate.
 

Thornblade

New Member
I don't understand why the seemingly negative connotation relating to FON. Freedom to navigate the high seas is an intrinsic right of every vessel in a global commons such as the SCS.

I don't think it's the concept of FON itself, but the intention behind it, i.e. the type of naval assets, motives and timing behind it, that counts. High profile FON exercises by military vessels are always backed with making certain political points (which are outside the scope of the current discussion in this thread).

By sending a commercial craft, an OPV, a destroyer, or full carrier group in a high profile role to prove a point will definitely make loads of difference in the "discomfort level" of the recipients' mind, and "discomfort" creates repercussions, especially viewed by a capable peer/near peer. And the esculated situation can get messy, which may or may not be the intention of certain countries and their neighbours.

Let's get back to the topic, newsflash, the Japanese (JMSDF) flat-top helicopter carrier DDH-182 Ise, which is the second ship to be named Ise, the first being the Imperial Japanese Navy World War II-era battleship Ise, is back to the Southeast Asia region after November 2013's relief operation in the Philippines, but this time it's participating the Komodo Military Exercise set to be conducted in areas near western Indonesian city of Padang. It is travelling via the South China Sea, so it will be interesting to see any further development on this.

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Singapore ...
in later 1920s French Military Board arrived to then-Czechoslovakia to help plan its defense, and while standing around the map, the Chief of that Board said to Czechoslovak Generals something like Only a Minister of Foreign Affairs can defend your country (I think it was off record, but the story is completely believable, especially considering then-Czechoslovakia was gone about ten years after)

I can understand the point of using "pocket aircraft carrier" to increase the reach of Singaporean STOVL aircraft; now during two times two seconds I scrambled this:
Mhv5V.jpg
which is about one thousand km circle around Singapore; I'm not going to spend two more seconds on my third attempt, so for example Jakarta is, and Surabaya is not, within this circle, Brunei is outside, too, hope it's obvious I'm not talking Singapore-Brunei war here :)

I don't understand though:

#1 How many "pocket aircraft carriers" do you think Singapore should get?

#2 While operating off "pocket aircraft carriers" from question #1, what would be the main role of the STOVL aircraft? you know, I'm not sure about "the punch" they could deliver, I mean half of a dozen of them (and using them as "air superiority fighters" would be ... optimistic since Flankers have been abundant in the region)

plus I would be interested in answers to questions I asked yesterday
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/so...s-reports-data-etc.t5809/page-132#post-395446
now making it
#3 "the deck, strong enough?"
which FORBIN seems to have answered as
1/ Definitely not for a fighter which do in more 30 t.
...
... is he right?

and #4 "how far from Singapore would you send that "pocket aircraft carrier"? which is obviously related to the number of escort vessels
 

Brumby

Major
in later 1920s French Military Board arrived to then-Czechoslovakia to help plan its defense, and while standing around the map, the Chief of that Board said to Czechoslovak Generals something like Only a Minister of Foreign Affairs can defend your country (I think it was off record, but the story is completely believable, especially considering then-Czechoslovakia was gone about ten years after)

I can understand the point of using "pocket aircraft carrier" to increase the reach of Singaporean STOVL aircraft; now during two times two seconds I scrambled this:
Mhv5V.jpg
which is about one thousand km circle around Singapore; I'm not going to spend two more seconds on my third attempt, so for example Jakarta is, and Surabaya is not, within this circle, Brunei is outside, too, hope it's obvious I'm not talking Singapore-Brunei war here :)

I don't understand though:

#1 How many "pocket aircraft carriers" do you think Singapore should get?

#2 While operating off "pocket aircraft carriers" from question #1, what would be the main role of the STOVL aircraft? you know, I'm not sure about "the punch" they could deliver, I mean half of a dozen of them (and using them as "air superiority fighters" would be ... optimistic since Flankers have been abundant in the region)

plus I would be interested in answers to questions I asked yesterday
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/so...s-reports-data-etc.t5809/page-132#post-395446
now making it
#3 "the deck, strong enough?"
which FORBIN seems to have answered as
... is he right?

and #4 "how far from Singapore would you send that "pocket aircraft carrier"? which is obviously related to the number of escort vessels
I was born in Kuala Lumpur and I lived in that region for over 30 years. I have driven down to Singapore many times as it is only a few hours drive. Looking at the map, the proximity of Malaysia and Indonesia to Singapore is obvious. There will be hardly any warning time against a first strike. The utility of mini carriers are meant to project distance. How do you do that when they are just literally next door? This is besides the fact that the type of displacement would at best carry maybe 6 F-35B's which is of limited value. The dispersal of military assets outside of Singapore is a very sound strategy as it guarantees some form of retaliatory capability.
 
I was born in Kuala Lumpur ...

cool :)

... The dispersal of military assets outside of Singapore is a very sound strategy as it guarantees some form of retaliatory capability.

as you might notice, I set financial considerations aside (in the post you quoted) ... it could be interesting to see how a submarine fleet, with one on patrol at any time, armed with land-attack missiles, would fare ...
kwaigonegin
?
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
They have in order 2 SSK Type 218SG very capable for replaced the 2 Challenger/Sjoormen but right now no plans for some LACM.

in later 1920s French Military Board arrived to then-Czechoslovakia to help plan its defense, and while standing around the map, the Chief of that Board said to Czechoslovak Generals something like Only a Minister of Foreign Affairs can defend your country (I think it was off record, but the story is completely believable, especially considering then-Czechoslovakia was gone about ten years after)

I can understand the point of using "pocket aircraft carrier" to increase the reach of Singaporean STOVL aircraft; now during two times two seconds I scrambled this:
Mhv5V.jpg
which is about one thousand km circle around Singapore; I'm not going to spend two more seconds on my third attempt, so for example Jakarta is, and Surabaya is not, within this circle, Brunei is outside, too, hope it's obvious I'm not talking Singapore-Brunei war here :)

I don't understand though:

#1 How many "pocket aircraft carriers" do you think Singapore should get?

#2 While operating off "pocket aircraft carriers" from question #1, what would be the main role of the STOVL aircraft? you know, I'm not sure about "the punch" they could deliver, I mean half of a dozen of them (and using them as "air superiority fighters" would be ... optimistic since Flankers have been abundant in the region)

plus I would be interested in answers to questions I asked yesterday
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/so...s-reports-data-etc.t5809/page-132#post-395446
now making it
#3 "the deck, strong enough?"
which FORBIN seems to have answered as
... is he right?

and #4 "how far from Singapore would you send that "pocket aircraft carrier"? which is obviously related to the number of escort vessels

I hope :)
In more don' t forget F-35B have a different propulsion the helo carrier need a thermal protection on the flight deck not everywhere some spots and also right now can' t embarked on a Nimitz.

And now for buy second hand AV-8 finish or almost USMC use up to the end, same for Spain, former British used for spares by USMC only about 10/15 Italians replaced in 5+ years by F-35B at this time have ~ 25 years old.
 
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