South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)

Blackstone

Brigadier
Next time do your own research. This was the article you were commenting about one month ago. China Defense Ministry is saying Decatur violated the "Communist" Unclos Baseline for the "communist" Triton and Woody Islands, I quoted the Communist for humour. Blackstone Like? YES?






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WORLD NEWS | Fri Oct 21, 2016 | 9:38am EDT
Exclusive: U.S. carries out freedom-of-navigation operation in South China Sea - officials

A U.S. navy warship carried out a freedom-of-navigation operation in the South China Sea on Friday near islands claimed by China and two other Asian countries, U.S. officials told Reuters.

The guided-missile destroyer USS Decatur challenged "excessive maritime claims near the Paracel Islands," specifically Triton and Woody Islands, claimed by China, Taiwan and Vietnam, the U.S. officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The Pentagon declined to comment.

(Reporting by Idrees Ali, Matt Spetalnick and David Brunnstrom; Editing by Chizu Nomiyama)
Kindly point out where in the article you quoted does it say the USS Decatur came within any of the three items I listed? I'll list them again for reference.
  1. Sailed within 500 meters of a Chinese artificial island
  2. Sailed within 3 mi of a Chinese rock
  3. Sailed within 12 mi of a Chinese natural island
Again I ask you, did the Decatur violated any of the three conditions above? If you say "yes," then show the evidence.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
More evidence encircling China is a fool's errand. Will neocons get the memo? Probably not.

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Vinh is leading a senior military delegation to the sixth Vietnam-China defence strategic dialogue slated for November 4 in China.

At the meeting, Chang Wanquan acknowledged good outcomes of bilateral defence ties over the recent past, including the organisation of strategic dialogues, delegation exchanges, personnel training and sharing of experience on UN peacekeeping activities.

China is planning to replicate the model of annual border defence friendship exchange with Vietnam in its relations with other countries, he noted.

For his part, Vinh said the Vietnamese delegation attends the 6th defence strategic dialogue with the aim of expanding the bilateral defence partnership towards practical results and effectiveness.

He added that both sides have made careful preparations for the sixth dialogue, including proposals to be submitted to the central military commissions and defence ministry leaders of the two countries, with the goal of making defence ties a pillar of the Vietnam-China comprehensive strategic partnership.

The deputy minister stated that Vietnam welcomes increased defence collaboration between China and ASEAN member states for peace and security in the region.

The same day, the Vietnamese delegation also took part in the annual Munich Security Conference’s Core Group Meeting in Beijing. Topics of the two-day meeting included regional security in the South Pacific, China's role in the global security order, and the geopolitical implications of the "New Silk Road".

As part of the visit, the Vietnamese Institute for Military Strategy and the Chinese Academy of Military Science signed a memorandum of understanding on join research and collection of documents and memorabilia about the friendship between the two countries’ armies and the Ho Chi Minh-Mao Zedong ideology on solidarity during the resistance wars against France and the US.-VNA
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
More evidence encircling China is a fool's errand. Will neocons get the memo? Probably not.

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I think it is just a hedge ... just in case Trump would win

It is definitely not a coincidence

If Trump wins ...... none of those countries would dare to upset China .... Trump would make a deal with China and God knows what the deal would be ;)
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
I think it is just a hedge ... just in case Trump would win

It is definitely not a coincidence

If Trump wins ...... none of those countries would dare to upset China .... Trump would make a deal with China and God knows what the deal would be ;)

The Taiwan province will be return to the PRC sooner rather than later.;) Believe me Trump would do that just to bring 1 job and 1 dollar back to America to prove that he's making America great again.
 
Don't see much posted about Keen Sword. Technically not in the SCS but there is no "ECS for other countries" thread.

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US sends message to adversaries with nuclear sub visit, drills
By Barbara Starr and Brad Lendon, CNN
Updated 2:26 AM ET, Tue November 1, 2016

(CNN)The US military is sending a double-barreled message this week to potential adversaries in the Pacific.

A US Navy submarine carrying nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles is visiting Guam for the first time since the late 1980s and US and Japanese troops will practice amphibious landings on Pacific islands.
The submarine USS Pennsylvania (SSBN 735) is making what the Navy formally calls a "scheduled port visit" to the US territory in the Pacific, according to a Navy press statement.

But a US defense official says that both Japanese and South Korean delegations are in Guam at this time and will be offered rare tours of the submarine.
The visit comes as military tensions are high both with North Korea over its nuclear program, and China, over its moves in the South China Sea.
The Navy is making the public statement about the Pennsylvania in part to show its presence to allies and adversaries in the region.

"This specific visit to Guam reflects the United States' commitment to its allies in the Indo-Asia-Pacific, and complements the many exercises, training, operations, and other military cooperation activities conducted between the US and its partner nations," the Navy said in its statement.
"Ballistic missile submarines such as USS Pennsylvania are on patrol continuously, providing a critical, stabilizing and highly effective element of the US nuclear deterrence force."
The Pennsylvania, one of 14 Ohio-class ballistic missile submarines in the US fleet, carries 24 Trident II D-5 ballistic missiles, according to the US Navy. Each missile carries multiple warheads which can be programmed to hit different targets.
37,000 Japanese and US troops in drills
The amphibious landings, meanwhile, are part of Exercise Keen Sword 17, involving 11,000 US and 26,000 Japanese troops. They will take place around Japan, Okinawa, Guam and the island of Tinian in the Northern Marinas.
"Significant training activities during KS17 will include air and sea operations, integrated air and missile defense and ballistic missile defense in order to keep pace with the growing ballistic missile threat in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region," said a statement from US Forces Japan.
Keen Sword has been held yearly since 1986 but this is the first year that it will include amphibious landings.
"Amphibious operation training offers an opportunity to build bilateral interoperability in this area, and it supports Japan's developing amphibious capabilities," the US military statement said.

The amphibious exercise comes amid tensions between Japan and China over the disputed island chain off China's east coast that Japan refers to as the Senkakus and China as the Diaoyus.
Both countries have put the islands in their Air Defense Identification Zones and flights over and ship transits around the islands by both countries have been contentious.
Keen Sword has already drawn reaction from Beijing, with a report posted on the website of state broadcaster China Central Television (CCTV.)
"Okinawa will stage a scenario in which the US is at war with a third party and Japan offers its assistance," the CCTV report said.
"Analysts say this is to prepare Japan's Self-Defence Forces for involvement in similar situations," it added.
The Japanese Self Defense Force said along with their 26,000 troops, 260 aircraft and 20 warships will be involved in the exercises.
US Marines have deployed on Japan's 13,950-ton helicopter destroyer JS Hyuga, the flagship of the four-ship Japanese task force involved in the exercise, a US Navy statement said.
CNN's Junko Ogura contributed to this report.
 
Kindly point out where in the article you quoted does it say the USS Decatur came within any of the three items I listed? I'll list them again for reference.
  1. Sailed within 500 meters of a Chinese artificial island
  2. Sailed within 3 mi of a Chinese rock
  3. Sailed within 12 mi of a Chinese natural island
Again I ask you, did the Decatur violated any of the three conditions above? If you say "yes," then show the evidence.

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"In response to my emailed query, Commander Ross also confirms that the Decatur FONOP was aimed at challenging China’s excessive straight baselines. "
meaning that decatur sailed to challenge baseline as defined under UNCLOS Treaty.

It is obvious you are not familiar with this incident since you keep posting the same question and it is obvious it is not neither one or two.

  1. Sailed within 500 meters of a Chinese artificial island
  2. Sailed within 3 mi of a Chinese rock
So far your only argument it is it is communist propaganda.
 
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Blackstone

Brigadier
YES

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"In response to my emailed query, Commander Ross also confirms that the Decatur FONOP was aimed at challenging China’s excessive straight baselines. "
meaning that decatur sailed to challenge baseline as defined under UNCLOS Treaty.

It is obvious you are not familiar with this incident since you keep posting the same question and it is obvious it is not neither one or two.

  1. Sailed within 500 meters of a Chinese artificial island
  2. Sailed within 3 mi of a Chinese rock
So far your only argument it is it is communist propaganda.
You are arguing just to argue, and that's with knowing your own facts are wrong. The 5th paragraph of the very article you quoted me in post 1890 said the USS Decatur never sailed within 12 mi. So, it was a legal FONOP in international waters. Full stop.

The latest U.S. patrol, first reported by Reuters, is expected to anger Beijing and could further escalate tensions over the South China Sea. The destroyer sailed within waters claimed by China, close to but not within the 12-nautical-mile territorial limits of the islands, the officials said.

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Blackstone

Brigadier
Like Rondald Reagan said, "there you go again." Japan complains China's Coast Guard cutter patrolled its own island, which was seized in the 1895 Sino-Japanese war, and US illegally given administration rights to Japan in 1971.

One good thing I see recently is Western press including the island's original name "Diaoyu" in its reporting. That's a subtle but important change.

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Japan protested to China on Sunday after Chinese coast guard ships sailed into territorial waters of disputed islands in the East China Sea, Tokyo said.

Four Chinese vessels entered the waters surrounding the islets, called the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China, around 10:00 am local time (0100 GMT), according to Japan Coast Guard.

They left the territorial waters within two hours, the coast guard said.

The two countries are locked in a long-running dispute over the uninhabited, Tokyo-controlled islets.

Japan has routinely complained that China is escalating regional tensions by regularly sending ships to the island chain despite repeated protests from Tokyo.

On Sunday, Tokyo lodged a protest to China's foreign ministry through its embassy in Beijing saying the islands are "an inherent territory of Japan," while Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's office beefed up its team in charge of monitoring Chinese ships, a government official told AFP.

Tokyo has lodged at least 32 protests through diplomatic channels this year over what it says have been a total 31 days of intrusions by Chinese vessels in the territorial waters.

China is also involved in maritime disputes in the South China Sea by claiming most of the area despite partial counter-claims by the Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam.

But a UN-backed tribunal in July ruled that Beijing's claims were invalid.
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
Like Rondald Reagan said, "there you go again." Japan complains China's Coast Guard cutter patrolled its own island, which was seized in the 1895 Sino-Japanese war, and US illegally given administration rights to Japan in 1971.

One good thing I see recently is Western press including the island's original name "Diaoyu" in its reporting. That's a subtle but important change.

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Wrong thread with wrong historical understanding. The island was found as Terra nullius after 10 years of research and declared as Japan's Sovereign territory WITHOUT any opposition. It was the same right after the war.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Wrong thread with wrong historical understanding. The island was found as Terra nullius after 10 years of research and declared as Japan's Sovereign territory WITHOUT any opposition. It was the same right after the war.
China had plenty of opposition, it just was too weak to do much about it. Today, the government representing China, the PRC, has plenty of capacity to right the wrongs. Diaoyu Island belongs to China, and it will be returned. Hopefully without blood.
 
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