South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)

Brumby

Major
SB answered my question, and I actually agreed with him in a black-and-white perspective. Problem is we live in the real world.
I understand your views of geopolitical matters and I am not ignoring it. I am just not convinced debating them will lead anywhere because national interest is amoral and without a "rule based" reference then it is merely opposing opinions. For example, what might be unreasonable, outlandish and unsubstantiated claims is simply a point of view and is secondary to advancing a position of national interest.
 

ahojunk

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2016-07-11 08:18 | Xinhua |
Editor: Mo Hong'e

The United States should stay away from the South China Sea issue and avoid repeating its history of military intervention and political manipulation in the Caribbean in the past century.

The Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) in The Hague will announce its award on Tuesday in an arbitration case filed unilaterally by the Philippines against China on disputes over the South China Sea.

Looking back at the drama, it's not difficult to see that the United States has played an important role in disturbing the once peaceful waters since it adopted a "pivot to Asia" strategy.

And it's not the first time for the nation to do so. Having been regarding Latin America as its backyard, the United States has never stopped making waves in the Caribbean.

Cuba is one of the biggest victims. The United States occupied the country during the 1898 American-Spanish War and forced it to sign a contract to indefinitely lease Guantanamo Bay, which later became the first overseas military base of the United States and has never been returned.

Later on, the United States dispatched troops to Cuba three times after the establishment of the republic in 1902, and has adopted a hostile attitude toward the country ever since the victory of the Cuban revolution in 1959.

After failing to topple Cuba's regime in April 1961 by sending over 1,500 mercenaries, the United States started imposing economic and financial blockade and trade embargo on Cuba, which have not been completely lifted as of today.

In 1903, the United States instigated Panama's independence from Colombia, and forced the new government to sign an unequal treaty on building the Panama Canal.

Over half a century later, in a bid to seize control over the canal, the George H.W. Bush administration sent an army of 26,000 to Panama on Dec 20, 1989 in the name of "protecting American lives there from political instability." The same reason had been used to justify the U.S. occupation of Haiti from 1915 to 1934.

In August 1926, U.S. Marines invaded Nicaragua to bolster the pro-American conservative government when a civil war torn the small central American country apart. While in April 1965, when a civil war broke out in the Dominican Republic and overturned a U.S.-installed government, the United States sent nearly 40,000 troops to "restore order" in the country.

The same tragedy also happened to Grenada, one of the smallest countries in the Caribbean. In October 1983, the Reagan administration sent 5,000 Marines to Grenada to topple its Communist regime. In little more than a week, the government was overthrown.

Throughout the 20th Century, the United States has been incessantly cruising its warships on the Caribbean waters, trying to assert its influence over the region.

Its interference that blocked the path of independent development for Caribbean countries, and resulted in long time of turmoil as well as social stagnation in some of the countries.

Obviously all the military operations, political interference and economic sanctions made by the United States are only for one purpose -- defending, if not wanting more, its interests in the region.

As former U.S. President Ronald Reagan once put it, "the Caribbean region is a vital strategic and commercial artery for the United States."

Since it began to enjoy a rapid rise of political eminence at the end of the 19th century, the United States has been driving wedges in the Caribbean countries so that it could gain dominance over the entire region.

And now it is using the same strategy in the Asia-Pacific, specially, the South China Sea.

Since a U.S. strategy shift in 2009 toward Asia-Pacific, tensions and disputes between countries in the South China Sea have been increasing dramatically.

Recently the situation has been worsened due to a string of provocative actions made by the U.S. Navy under the banner of "free navigation."

U.S. warplanes and warships have been patrolling dangerously close to Chinese territory, emboldening some nations, even though the region is thousands of miles away from the U.S. homeland.

It seems like a habitual behavior of the United States to boss around. However, the South China Sea is not the Caribbean and U.S. hegemony will not work there.

This is not only because China's claim of sovereignty over the islands in the South China Sea is legitimate, but also because China has always been a firm advocate for peace and prosperity in the region.

With regard to the current disputes in the South China Sea, China proposes a "dual-track" approach, namely peacefully and properly handling the disputes through direct talks between the parties involved and jointly maintaining peace and stability in the South China Sea with the members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

There has been peace and prosperity in the South China Sea for most of the time in past centuries and will prevail in the future unless outside forces come to interfere.

So the United States should stop treating the South China Sea as the next Caribbean and quit the habit of meddling in other countries' business.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
I understand your views of geopolitical matters and I am not ignoring it. I am just not convinced debating them will lead anywhere because national interest is amoral and without a "rule based" reference then it is merely opposing opinions. For example, what might be unreasonable, outlandish and unsubstantiated claims is simply a point of view and is secondary to advancing a position of national interest.
Now that's a good point. It's also the reason why the world absolutely need rules-based institutions that are seen as legitimate by member states. Rule of law must constrain the most powerful, or it doesn't work. Bringing that concept to the SCS dispute, China can make the argument some nations want their cake and eat it too, and they are some of the same ones trying to retain or increase their utility at China's expense. That's not a bad argument.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Two wrong doesn't make a right which I believe you are fully aware of.
The US is not being judged by Permanent Court of Arbitration, PRC is.
But yet the US are indirectly taking a side even though they say they weren't, therefore they lied. The Permanent Court of Arbitration had stepped out bounds of their jurisdiction plus they are NOT the final say for the sovereignty of PRC.
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
The Permanent Court of Arbitration had stepped out bounds of their jurisdiction plus they are NOT the final say for the sovereignty of PRC.

How so?
They do have jurisdiction to place rulings based on UNCLOS and that is what Philippines are asking.
Sorry but land formation whether above tide or not that had no previous evidence of people living on for a substantial period of time that is within a nation's EEZ will be placed under that nation's administration.
That is the law.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Ahead of The Hague court's ruling on the South China Sea dispute between the Philippines and China, former Chinese Vice Foreign Minister tells Conversation With that the Philippines needs "better lawyers" as this is about sovereignty issues.
SINGAPORE: In less than a week, an international tribunal in The Hague will rule on a case lodged by the Philippines that challenges China’s expansive claims in the South China Sea.

But no matter the closely watched verdict expected on Jul 12, China will not “recognise nor will it accept whatever verdict” the international court delivers, says China’s former Vice Foreign Minister He Yafei.

In an interview with Channel NewsAsia’s Conversation With, Mr He reiterated China’s assertion that the court “has no jurisdiction over sovereignty disputes”.

“The Philippines, whatever it is thinking, does not have the facts right. Maybe deliberately, I do not know. But certainly they need to have, maybe, better lawyers,” said Mr He, who served under the Wen Jiabao administration in 2008 and later as China’s Ambassador to the United Nations in 2010.

Mr He said that China was just as interested in freedom of navigation in the disputed waters as the other Southeast Asian claimant countries. He added that this is about “sovereignty disputes” that “need patient, peaceful political negotiations, bilateral negotiations”.

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Equation

Lieutenant General
How so?
They do have jurisdiction to place rulings based on UNCLOS and that is what Philippines are asking.
Sorry but land formation whether above tide or not that had no previous evidence of people living on for a substantial period of time that is within a nation's EEZ will be placed under that nation's administration.
That is the law.

NO the court has NO jurisdiction over sovereignty issue as told by In an interview with Channel NewsAsia’s Conversation With, Mr He Yafei, China’s former Vice Foreign Minister.
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SamuraiBlue

Captain
NO the court has NO jurisdiction over sovereignty issue as told by In an interview with Channel NewsAsia’s Conversation With, Mr He Yafei, China’s former Vice Foreign Minister.

Which is a private citizen's opinion since he is a former official and never been part of UN so it has no reference to the subject.
 
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