Shenyang next gen combat aircraft thread

[secretprojects]

I think I'll trust the engineers at Shenyang to know what they're doing

F-117 needed a bigger tail after the prototype flew. Did the Lockheed engineers not know what they were doing? What about the control surface changes from FC-31 #1 to #2 to different F-35 prototypes? Did the engineers at Shenyang not know what they were doing?

As much as you simulate and test, sometimes you have to revise a design in light of flight testing. Sometimes shit happens.

Equally, maybe an apparently odd pattern of movement is a software bug, or even a deliberate test. Its in very early stages of flight test.

 

[Wrought]

Why are folks bringing dumb arguments from other places over here? If you have a problem over there, then keep it over there.

 

[secretprojects]

Put aside the fact that anyone can claim to have any credential on the internet, you're just appealing to authority. I don't care who he is or who he worked for, I just judge him by his arguments and if they makes no sense they makes no sense. Simple as that

Sure, but watch out for traps...

An "argument from personal incredulity" is a logical fallacy where someone dismisses a claim as false simply because they personally cannot comprehend it or find it difficult to believe. This fallacy incorrectly assumes that if something is hard to understand or imagine, it must be untrue.

 

[latenlazy]

F-117 needed a bigger tail after the prototype flew. Did the Lockheed engineers not know what they were doing? What about the control surface changes from FC-31 #1 to #2 to different F-35 prototypes? Did the engineers at Shenyang not know what they were doing?

As much as you simulate and test, sometimes you have to revise a design in light of flight testing. Sometimes shit happens.

Equally, maybe an apparently odd pattern of movement is a software bug, or even a deliberate test. Its in very early stages of flight test.

You’re comparing engineers making revisions after collecting reams of real world data vs someone whose credentials don’t seem to be fully transparent even to you doing eyeball analysis off one clip. Can we please be more serious.

 

[burritocannon]

i mean its as inane as the earlier j-36 "hyper turn" speculation. eyeball aerodynamics with no real quantifiable metrics are, along with eyeball stealth and other eyeball engineering, worthless.

 

[talonn]

I mean, he did work as an engineer at Northrop for many years on various programs including the B-2 and YF-23.

What's your CV, guys? 100 hours in War Thunder?

I trust Shenyang engineers better than some rando on internet

 

[secretprojects]

You’re comparing engineers making revisions collecting reams of real world data vs someone whose credentials don’t seem to be fully transparent even to you doing eyeball analysis off one clip. Can we please be more serious.

He knows the right people and they know him, so there's no doubt there. However, even the best engineers are certainly not immune from making mistakes. I'm just arguing people were being really rude about it, and he does at least have a long track record working in the industry from 1986 - at least partly on flight testing.

 

[Schwerter_]

I mean, he did work as an engineer at Northrop for many years on various programs including the B-2 and YF-23.

What's your CV, guys? 100 hours in War Thunder?

On the flip side that means he’s been in the industry (and potentially out of touch from cutting edge aerodynamics developments which for the most part is done by universities and organizations like nasa) for around 40 years, which means there’s a nonzero chance that he just doesn’t understand what he’s seeing.

Also did he ever say which field he was or is in? There’s much more to an aircraft than just aerodynamics and controls, so claiming he worked in these projects doesn’t really prove anything without more context. For all we know he might have been working on engine integration or landing gears.

 

[enroger]

Sure, but watch out for traps...

There is a difference between arguments people cannot understand and arguments so stupid people point and laugh at it. The onus is on you to prove it is the former and not the latter.

If you start by putting out reasoned arguments then we can have a genuine discussion. If you insist on appealing to authority then I'll just keep laughing at you

 

[secretprojects]

Its not my argument. I did enough of my Aero Eng degree (1.5 years then left, did 2 English degrees and work in IT) to know I can't judge whether he has a point or not. I'd wager the same goes for 95% of the people here.

Arguing he must be wrong because Shenyang engineers are infallible seems... overly patriotic.