Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator
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I would like them to come out and say: "Yes, we intend it to be percieved as a F-22 knock-off so it will sell better (being politically incorrect, I have to admit: the average humans being are stupid in many aspects). But verily verily I tell ya, it's a technologically more advanced aircraft by virtue of its being born decades later than the F-22... What? We dont' have engines as good? Well, we will get there soon. Just as our economy will soon be number one...that you believe, right? So, buy ours and you won't regret!"
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Actually a lot of "spooks" deal in misinformation, something internet fan boys like to fan the flames of in order to "be inside the bubble" so to speak. Really in Western culture aircraft design is something that is done out in public these days, although the F-117, "wobblin goblin" was largely brought to pruduction and operation in secret, there were lots of rumors floating around about "have blue" in the good old Air Force Magazine and other aviation mags as well. Many design features of "have blue" are still "classified" as are B-2 and F-22 features. When Max flew the first demo flights of the Raptor, no one was allowed to photograph the nozzles of the TVC. Then there is the infamous hacking of the F-35, so lots of secrets get "told" that shouldn't, but sometimes are intentionally "shared with friends". The truth is "knock-offs" are extremely difficult to do well, and seldom as functional as originals and the folks who designed the originals are hard at work on new projects. To reverse the camera, western intel might gather info on the J-20, but you would probably have to "pay" someone to base a western aircraft on that design and attempt to reproduce it, its simply too much trouble and western designers are more concerned about "originality" or "flavor" that builds on the philosophy of that company, look at the F-32, the Boeing JSF contender, a rather "geecky" looking bird, whereas the F-35 does retain a certain flavor from the F-22!
Well assassin, although the liberals at PBS would love to give away state secrets to hurt US, they really don't know much, their speciality are "hit pieces" designed to embarass or discredit the folks who are actually working hard to "save the nation and the planet", and feed the hungry, actually people with secrets would like to tell some-one, especially if that someone will pay them?
Brat, information, misinformation, disinformation, are all tools to spin...
Now, in my opinion, only some of the real stupid and jealous SOB's would still believe that knock-offs are an easy job and babble about "we will be the best if only we also steal and copy..." In this world, only the smart and hardworking ones can do it well (reverse engineering, spying, etc.) and while doing it, really learning how to create their own. Again, only the stupid ones would claim the moral high ground when they can't do shxt about their lacking the abilbity to even copy.
P.S. I don't think one bit that either the J-20 or the J-21 to come is a knock off of any other aircraft, either.
Don't you worry too much, Brat. As much as I also love the US, I do believe that if it falls some day, it's only natural. Or put in other words, it's only God's will. This applies to any great empires ever existed, such as the ones China had been for several thousand years, and the one China might again become or not (Who knows? And who really can do anything about it?).
A nation, just like a person, will inevitablly die one day. And it's not a bad thing at all because that is how the world stays alive and healthy. Dying gracefully would be the best death, dying hard while trying to drag others to go down together would be pathetic and futile. This is my philosophy.
I really don't think either aircraft is a "knock off" of directly, in fact the J-17, J-20, J-21 are very uniquely Sino flavored IMHO, they may borrow some design elements, but almost all aircraft designs borrow heavily from previous designs. It makes no sense to reinvent the wheel, anyway, try to have a little more faith in your fellow man brother, life can get us down, and as you well know, I believe that you and I have a common designer, and I believe he loves both of the brothers. I feel a sense of "kinship" with you, and I would never willingly offend my brother, I have a great deal of admiration and respect for your honesty and sense of fairplay. I really do like this airplane, it does bear a strong resemblance to the Lockheed family, and I really hope Shenyang gets her up and going, I would definetly like to see some TVC nozzles on this bird. Cheers, Brat
Equation
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I would like them to come out and say: "Yes, we intend it to be percieved as a F-22 knock-off so it will sell better (being politically incorrect, I have to admit: the average humans being are stupid in many aspects). But verily verily I tell ya, it's a technologically more advanced aircraft by virtue of its being born decades later than the F-22... What? We dont' have engines as good? Well, we will get there soon. Just as our economy will soon be number one...that you believe, right? So, buy ours and you won't regret!"
LOL...I love your sarcasm statements there!
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Given the cries for China especially the military to be transparent from Republicans and Democrats I would say the story tends to be true. Every other angle I hear to the contrary is much like when I hear my friend's kid tell me that Navy Seals are in every country around the world. I've posted before about seeing this former CIA official interviewed who wrote a book about CIA failures. Some of his stories had to do with China during the 50s and 60s. China seems to have a very effective counter intelligence. Did you know that all of the Tibetan insurgents that the CIA trained that were sent into China during the Cold War have never been heard from again? And the stories have to have some validity because the CIA has final approval when their exploits are exposed to the public by their own people.