Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

Blitzo

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The FC-31 was an internal demonstrator program for new prototyping technologies to design a new fighter aircraft.
It seems it got them a contract to develop a naval fighter for the PLANAF i.e. the mythical J-35 but there are next to no official news about it.
There were rumors of attempted export sales of the original demonstrator (to either a Gulf Petrostate or Pakistan) but it seemingly went nowhere. Not a lot of external countries interested in funding a new aircraft from scratch.

The only pictures we have of the demonstrator prototypes show an aircraft with a landing gear which is clearly too weak for a regular catapult. It also doesn't seem to have a tailhook assembly or folding wings or anything like that. The naval aircraft, if it does happen, should be a new and supposedly larger design based on technology developed with this program.

I think your description is all a bit more tentative than where we really should be.

I think the J-35/J-XY/FC-31 derived 5th gen carrierborne fighter by now in late 2020 is no longer "mythical".

I would argue by now, we are just awaiting for it to emerge in the next year or so, in the same way how in late 2008 we were all expecting J-20 (then known as J-XX) to emerge in the next couple of years as well.

I would describe the J-35/J-XY/FC-31 derived 5th gen carrierborne fighter right now to be classed as "virtually confirmed".
 

Nobonita Barua

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I think your description is all a bit more tentative than where we really should be.

I think the J-35/J-XY/FC-31 derived 5th gen carrierborne fighter by now in late 2020 is no longer "mythical".

I would argue by now, we are just awaiting for it to emerge in the next year or so, in the same way how in late 2008 we were all expecting J-20 (then known as J-XX) to emerge in the next couple of years as well.

I would describe the J-35/J-XY/FC-31 derived 5th gen carrierborne fighter right now to be classed as "virtually confirmed".
Do we have any time frame when it may fly? I read in a TheDrive-TWZ article that they were test flying it or something closer to that. I don't remember exactly.
And will the J20 & FC31 come online simultaneously?
 

Blitzo

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Do we have any time frame when it may fly? I read in a TheDrive-TWZ article that they were test flying it or something closer to that. I don't remember exactly.
And will the J20 & FC31 come online simultaneously?

Since about 2017 I think we've been expecting it to emerge between 2019 at the earliest to the early 2020s.

This year the timing has been refined with expectations that it will likely emerge next year, 2021.


J-20 is already in service.
FC-31 is an export proposal, no foreign customers are interested, so it won't come "online".
The 5th generation carrierborne fighter derived from FC-31 will probably enter service mid 2020s depending on how its development goes.
 

gongolongo

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I think your description is all a bit more tentative than where we really should be.

I think the J-35/J-XY/FC-31 derived 5th gen carrierborne fighter by now in late 2020 is no longer "mythical".

I would argue by now, we are just awaiting for it to emerge in the next year or so, in the same way how in late 2008 we were all expecting J-20 (then known as J-XX) to emerge in the next couple of years as well.

I would describe the J-35/J-XY/FC-31 derived 5th gen carrierborne fighter right now to be classed as "virtually confirmed".
I think the point is that a carrierborne 5th gen aircraft is confirmed but we don't know if it specifically follows the J-31 program or Shenyang at all.
 

Orthan

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topwar article about the j-31. It talks about problems with the j-31 program and that the j-31 is not much superior to the mig-29k.

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To the people who know about j-31, what do you think of it? does he makes valid points or not?
 

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topwar article about the j-31. It talks about problems with the j-31 program and that the j-31 is not much superior to the mig-29k.

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To the people who know about j-31, what do you think of it? does he makes valid points or not?

Well, I guess this is the David Axe of Russian military news. There had to be one. He's talking bunk.
For one there isn't a J-31. It is called FC-31. It is a prototype demonstrator aircraft, not an actual aircraft.
It is not even an aircraft like the YF-22. Think of the FC-31 more like an aircraft in the US X-series.
It is a test vehicle to demonstrate technologies for rapid prototyping including paperless design and virtual mockups not an actual aircraft.
As any rapid prototype it uses off the shelf components as much as possible so its performance is not an indicator for future aircraft.

We know China has to date a prototype 4th generation (Western/Russian 5th generation) engine for this aircraft.
There are even photographs of this WS-19 engine. Russia has no engine in this weight class with equivalent thrust-to-weight and neither have I heard of any program to make such an engine. All of Russia's jet aircraft engine efforts have been put into the AL-41 and NK-32 families of engines. There might be a new engine for the PAK-FA under development too, probably 6th generation, probably derived from AL-41. But no new engine for aircraft in MiG-29 class which is lighter.

Next we have the radar. Russia still hasn't made available an AESA radar even in latest MiG-29K or MiG-35 variants.
China on the other hand has a prototype and will be shipping an AESA radar for the JF-17 Block 3 aircraft. It would be trivial for them to enlarge this radar with more modules for the much larger FC-31. Also, Pakistan could have easily went for an Italian radar and yet they selected the Chinese one. This means the performance this radar has is real for Pakistan has a lot of border frictions with India. They wouldn't select something which just didn't work. This isn't the Blue Circle radar.

So you have the radar. You have the engines. You have weapons. The FC-31 is testing an airframe design. All you needed was requirements and funding from a client to make the aircraft. This Shenyang has got a couple years back. The client is the PLANAF. The aircraft as designed will allegedly be larger than the original FC-31 prototypes. This is possible because of more lightweight airframe with composite materials and new higher thrust engine.

A MiG-29K would be terribly outdated compared with this aircraft and more in line with Hornet aircraft.
4+ generation aircraft. Not 5th generation like this.
 
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banjex

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There might be a new engine for the PAK-FA under development too,

They're working on a "second stage" ~175kn engine for the Su-57. This engine should be ready in the next few years and they're already flight testing it. Should be a pretty good engine - engines being one of the few areas Russia is still ahead of China.
 
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gelgoog

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They're working on a "second stage" ~175kn engine for the Su-57. This engine should be ready in the next few years and they're already flight testing it. Should be a pretty good engine - engines being one of the few areas Russia is still ahead of China.

In general they are ahead yes. But in this particular engine class I think the Chinese are ahead. The MiG-29 family is simply a lower priority for the Russian state and there has been a lack of customer interest in it compared with the Flanker. The MiG-29K is good enough for their carrier needs and the Admiral Kuznetsov won't be operational for another couple of years. Any new carriers would only arrive near the end of this decade at best. So you cannot expect Russia to devote a lot of resources into this. The fact they did do the MiG-29K investment is itself impressive enough. The Russians basically upgraded the RD-33 into the RD-33MK and called it a day.

It would have been different if the LMFS program had went ahead but AFAIK it is frozen.
 
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