Self Propelled Gun/Rocket Launcher


FriedRiceNSpice

Senior Member
maybe for surviving counter battery?

Survive a direct hit from a 122mm - 155mm shell? Otherwise current armor is most likely sufficient for shrapnel. Heavier armor may compromise mobility, which arguably is more important for survivability with regards to counter battery fire.
 

by78

Lieutenant General
There is no point in up armoring your artillery. They should not be in a position to be fired upon in the first place.

Ideally that should be the case, but actual combat experience in Afghanistan is more complicated. This is why the Germans up-armored their PzH2000. I suspect the Chinese did so for the same reasons, namely to make it more survivable against mortar rounds and some frontal attacks. I'd imagine some guerrilla fighters could sneak up on it from over a hill or sand dune and attack it using light arms from a distance of a few hundred meters.
 
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by78

Lieutenant General
Two more images of PLZ-45A4... The gentleman in the second image is NORINCO's chief representative to Saudi Arabia.

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zszczhyx

Junior Member
Registered Member
Thinking about the performance of the Saudi army in Yemen. Maybe, in addition to increasing armor, it might also need remote control weapon stations to improve the self-defense ability.
 

supersnoop

Senior Member
Registered Member
Ideally that should be the case, but actual combat experience in Afghanistan is more complicated. This is why the Germans up-armored their PzH2000. I suspect the Chinese did so for the same reasons, namely to make it more survivable against mortar rounds and some frontal attacks. I'd imagine some guerrilla fighters could sneak up on it from over a hill or sand dune and attack it using light arms from a distance of a few hundred meters.
Only have experience with towed pieces, but a properly set up firing position should have defensive positions all around.

Listening to M777 crewman from Afghanistan, fighters rarely snuck up to do anything of the sort and the guns rarely moved from FOBs. The most common attacks were timer set rocket/mortar attacks. Full on attacks were unheard of because HALO was very good.

Back to PLZ-45A4…
Funny that they took on this American-style naming…

As mentioned the Saudi/Kuwaiti connection is obvious. From the limited information I have seen, PLZ-45 performance has been satisfactory. So this is basically an upgrade package? Assuming they received technical feedback, this would almost be tailor made based on Yemen operations.
 

by78

Lieutenant General
Only have experience with towed pieces, but a properly set up firing position should have defensive positions all around.

Listening to M777 crewman from Afghanistan, fighters rarely snuck up to do anything of the sort and the guns rarely moved from FOBs. The most common attacks were timer set rocket/mortar attacks. Full on attacks were unheard of because HALO was very good.

Back to PLZ-45A4…
Funny that they took on this American-style naming…

As mentioned the Saudi/Kuwaiti connection is obvious. From the limited information I have seen, PLZ-45 performance has been satisfactory. So this is basically an upgrade package? Assuming they received technical feedback, this would almost be tailor made based on Yemen operations.

Well, I wonder about the competency of the Saudi military. Maybe the additional armor is justified. :p
 

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