Self Propelled Gun/Rocket Launcher

BoraTas

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Saw this from 大包CG, so potentially 120 rockets. So the vehicle at the back is just an unmanned launch platform?

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I had a discussion about this system with an ex-US Army Sergeant on Quora. His comment has a lot of true points. The same number of trucks would be needed to supply it anyway. Because the loader can not go to the supply point on its own.

What this system achieves is it reduces the frequency of resupply and it should have great off-road mobility. It is a pure harsh and undeveloped terrain system. I can think of two scenarios in which China can benefit from this system. Fighting Indians in the Himalayas and fighting Taiwanese in the Taiwanese mountains. Other than that it is a needlessly complex MRL. Weight optimizations and crew member reduction (which can be a bad thing) are simply wouldn't worth it.

Another commentator wrote that it could be great for nations whose industrial capacity and population are small but the military is relatively large, like the UAE and Saudi Arabia.

The said comment:

Is there a shortage of trucks? Crew members to drive trucks? Have you ever seen how all vehicles go through transmissions and engines in military operations? And you think constant excess loads makes that … better?

You need spare crewmen because of casualties in war.

Hoe do you move ammo to the guns if you need to move the ammo and the guns? As it’s supply depot to guns that matter …

How do you separate the ammo from the guns for sustained fire? Or does you enemy just enjoy you making it easy to take out both at the same time?

This does nothing that just bringing in a second truck doesn’t already do. That truck can be any truck, any flatbed or cargo truck. It doesn’t have to be a specifically designed trailer.

That you break down a truck into its component pieces doesn’t magically make this a technical marvel. Trucks are cheap. Trucks are easy. Truck drivers are easy to train. If attaching a trailer made things better, then every tank would be towing a trailer. They don’t.

Articulated vehicles like the one you show, have been mostly retired. When they were in use, and as a case in point, do you know how they got their ammo? Trucks. With engines, transmissions, and crew members.

Articulated vehicles are far from the most common vehicles in any military. Which only adds to the ‘not a game changer’ critique.
 

BoraTas

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So what's the point in removing the crew from a vehicle which will be in the rear line?
Easy. Cost cutting. The PLA is a military of volunteers and China is not a poor country anymore. People are expensive. We talk about things like helmets, SMGs, armor, camo, etc but such stuff aren't really expensive with the exception of night vision and radio (I mean post-2005 ones). Their combined price is usually lower than a single month's salary of an infantryman in European militaries. Then there are accommodation costs, training costs, hospitalization costs and veteran benefits if he gets wounded or crippled. If he dies for some reason you need to pay money to his family for their entire life and organize a funeral. And you also need to have more officers to manage more people and officers are incredibly expensive.

More people in the military is really beneficial though, even for just attrition absorption and fatigue management reasons. This is why conscription is a must for countries that actually face a real threat. China and most of the West don't conscript because of sociological reasons and they don't face a real threat of getting conquered.
 

by78

General
Self-explanatory.

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Taiban

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73rd Group Army's PCL-191 and PCL-181 deployment.

The event took place at:
24.7886, 118.7105
Shihu Port Industrial Park (石湖港工业园区), Shishi, Quanzhou, Fujian, China. 73rd Group Army's PCL-191 and PCL-181 on deployment.

The event took place at:
24.7886, 118.7105
Shihu Port Industrial Park (石湖港工业园区), Shishi, Quanzhou, Fujian, China

The Shihu Port Industrial Park seems to be occupied by two companies, a small concrete manufacturer in the SE corner and the rest by Shishi Jialong Petrochemical Textile Fiber Co., Ltd. (石狮市佳龙石化纺纤有限公司). The event took place within the Petrochemical's ground.

While the facility is civilian/industrial, it seems the named petrochemical company halted operations here at least before 2022. The below mentioned PLA assets stationed at this facility since early September of 2022.

There are a total of (at least) 6x PCL-191, 6x PCL-191 loader vehicle, 18x PCL-181 and other 40+ various 4/6 wheeled light vehicles/tru20230307_175748.jpg20230307_175748.jpgcks.
 

by78

General
73rd Group Army's PCL-191 and PCL-181 deployment.

The event took place at:
24.7886, 118.7105
Shihu Port Industrial Park (石湖港工业园区), Shishi, Quanzhou, Fujian, China. 73rd Group Army's PCL-191 and PCL-181 on deployment.

The event took place at:
24.7886, 118.7105
Shihu Port Industrial Park (石湖港工业园区), Shishi, Quanzhou, Fujian, China

The Shihu Port Industrial Park seems to be occupied by two companies, a small concrete manufacturer in the SE corner and the rest by Shishi Jialong Petrochemical Textile Fiber Co., Ltd. (石狮市佳龙石化纺纤有限公司). The event took place within the Petrochemical's ground.

While the facility is civilian/industrial, it seems the named petrochemical company halted operations here at least before 2022. The below mentioned PLA assets stationed at this facility since early September of 2022.

There are a total of (at least) 6x PCL-191, 6x PCL-191 loader vehicle, 18x PCL-181 and other 40+ various 4/6 wheeled light vehicles/truView attachment 108626View attachment 108626cks.

What's the significance of this so-called deployment? Why does the movement and location of a few vehicles from more than six months ago deserve a post?

A quick glance at your posting history at in our flagship military forums shows that so very many of your posts are links to poorly sourced articles and dubious tweets, frequently accompanied by lazy one-liners or no commentary of your own, not to mention that many of your posts had tenuous connections to the topics at hand, if not being outright off-topic.

Sinodefence isn't a place for low-effort information saturation. It isn't a news aggregation website or a depository of sundry and tangential information.

Please be considerate of the wider community and stop pushing your mundane litanies of trifling farragoes that actively lower the quality of this forum.
 
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by78

General
73rd Group Army's PCL-191 and PCL-181 deployment.

The event took place at:
24.7886, 118.7105
Shihu Port Industrial Park (石湖港工业园区), Shishi, Quanzhou, Fujian, China. 73rd Group Army's PCL-191 and PCL-181 on deployment.

The event took place at:
24.7886, 118.7105
Shihu Port Industrial Park (石湖港工业园区), Shishi, Quanzhou, Fujian, China

The Shihu Port Industrial Park seems to be occupied by two companies, a small concrete manufacturer in the SE corner and the rest by Shishi Jialong Petrochemical Textile Fiber Co., Ltd. (石狮市佳龙石化纺纤有限公司). The event took place within the Petrochemical's ground.

While the facility is civilian/industrial, it seems the named petrochemical company halted operations here at least before 2022. The below mentioned PLA assets stationed at this facility since early September of 2022.

There are a total of (at least) 6x PCL-191, 6x PCL-191 loader vehicle, 18x PCL-181 and other 40+ various 4/6 wheeled light vehicles/truView attachment 108626View attachment 108626cks.

How do you know these vehicles belong to the 73rd Group Army?
 
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