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TerraN_EmpirE

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This could eat into other countries' 5th gen sales.

Could but I doubt it. F35 buyers are highly unlikely to shift to This. Those are states that have a strong NATO relationship. So you then get The potentials problem there is they aren’t in the market. They are either already working on trying to develop their own 5th Gen or just can’t afford to buy and sustain. About the only potential 5th Gen that might take a hit is SU57. But no body other than the RuAF is really buying that.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
But it is not a MiG and even less a MiG-41 (which was supposed to be the MiG-31's successor). From all we know it is from Sukhoi and called LTS = Lightweight Tactical Aircraft:

By the way ..

Think I can tell you where that Mig conflation is coming from.
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Surprisingly accurate fan render considering it’s age.
Farther we need to remember that UAC is the sole Russian aviation company and SUkhoi and Mig are basically brands under it.

Stating the Obvious.
What we have is likely a glider right now. A mock up pending actually finishing it. The product is clearly a single engine with a Supersonic divert less intake mid weihht fighter. It strongly evokes the X32 from Boeing. Clearly no V/STOL or other carrier configuration at this time. Probably would generate equal performance to F35A in kinetics. So supersonic but I doubt prolonged sustained supercruise.
The intake does at the moment seem to limit the radar aperture however modern EASA types mean more with smaller space and if the Russians have a halfway decent radar system they could even add additional emplacements in the fuselage. Both F22 and F35 already do this. SU57 seems to as well based on radiation indicators on the fuselage.
 

longmarch

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Exactl, if Russia doesnt supply India, Vietnam, and middle east, they will be able to get weapons from US. India, Vietnam, and many countries have a right to self defense, and weapons to do so. Its important that they dont make the US stronger in the process.
Vietnam getting F-35 from US? You are not thinking straight.
 

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Captain
Main problem with the stealth design would be the underside intake as well as the obvious cranny between the all-moving tail and main body.

As for the radome, I measured it. It's roughly 900mm external which points to 660mm internal. Slightly smaller than the F-35, but not by much.

Now we have to wait for Russian claims about the RCS. It could very well have better stealth than the F-35, except for questions about the materials (how good is Russian RAM), and the choice of the underbody intake. The underbody intake means that the J-20 could still zoom past in a strike (tailfinless) variant.

As for the maturity level, 6 units and 2 demonstrators is where the J-20 was in 2016. We could see IOC by 2025 at this rate.
 

panzerfeist1

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Like @ougoah has said, yes ofc they exist. It's also irrelevant to what I originally said, which is that your development time and manufacturing capability are still unsolved issues that hamper any kind of modern tech developments. Same goes for the J-20 development, it's irrelevant to the topic and you're clearly ignorant on its coming development (twin seat, tvc, ws-15).

Going back to the topic, please explain to me how 2035 time window is a bad prediction, given how much time it take for the russian nowadays to develop their new fighters? Where's the lie when I say that even after you develop these nice techs, you still can't afford or even simply can't make them in a substantial numbers?
Well not gonna lie the Su-70 for me was considered a very complex aviation project, Neuron, bae taranis or even the X-47B which were developed earlier still don't have production dates AFAIK when I last checked. The Su-70 is the newest of those 3 and is given a production date in 2024(assuming there are no delays) and has tested fired air to ground weapons, hell it even fired air to air missiles which I cant say the same for the other 3, Also the drone is freaking huge. The funny part was back at key aero I was the only user that was talking about the drone getting an air to air role, no one of course believed me(makes sense considering the aerodynamics favor air to ground missiions and the roles of the other 3 stealth UAVs) than with a stroke of luck they gave that drone an air to air role.

I have not seen anything introduced from the Chinese side like photonic radar antennas like how VEGA introduced to the public, etc, etc. Economy is important but after Nordstream 2 and some arctic oil projects the political climate will more than likely change back. If they are still kicking the shit out of the west with technology
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tanks and other shit than their only concern is just to climb back up. For China it is a little bit different it has a high GDP an all but considering the top universities of the U.S. among other international competitions those excellents minds leave their homeland for the U.S. which with along the western side of Europe is becoming a degenerate cesspool drawing in low IQ illegal migrants and teaching kids about 76 genders and LGBT history. The Chinese despite having a great GDP and all that with a nice high IQ population they suffer from impoverishment and studies generally show in the U.S. that even though Asians always score higher SAT scores a white Caucasian with a little more wealth does better in those scores than an Asian from a poor family. Russia is somewhere in the middle but they clearly have plans to still further grow economically and it doesn't look like they have lost their military technological edge either based on the sources I get from good old Russia defense net. I will only pay attention to Chinese military technology, 6th gens or whatever depending how the quality of life has improved for their population.

it actually plays a lot into long-term strategy. If they somehow manage to manufacture a cheap 5th-gen-equivalent they can shut out not just Americans but potentially China as well.
any NATO member purchasing this will get their ass sanctioned so their goes the majority of customers. Japan with some disputes with island ownership is a no. Arab oil countries which have grown and prospered from U.S. military involvement might be a no. So that leaves barely anyone willing to purchase their things in general anyways.
 

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Also, I'll point out, Checkmate is probably intended at the F-35. Why would the Russians want to Checkmate their own aircraft? With the apparent maturity of the Checkmate program, China probably has to spend a bunch of money building HF arrays in Tibet and Pakistan.
 

panzerfeist1

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Bumping the link. Presentation starts in an hour for those who can join. Happy watching!
Bro thats days on the left and hours in the middle. The funny part is that those in different parts of the world get a different countdown while the countdown that really matters is in Russia's time zone which is shocking that is not an option for the website.
 
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