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navyreco

Senior Member
+1 Gerry, and if I may add... 2 years is not long at all when it comes to ship construction... especially when compared to Russian standards...
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
it's amazing how even with today's technology and production capability, a big ship like this still takes 2 years to go from construction to service. no wonder why majority of the ships fought in WWII were made before the war, those started construction during the war were useless by the time they're built.
Actually, for the US this was not so. They started the war with only a few fleet carriers...and several of those were sunk. At one time they were down to one operable carrier in the Pacific, the USS Enterprise.

By the end of the war, three years later, the US had a couple of dozen fleet carrier, and over a hundred total carriers (if you include the escort and "jeep" carriers). Same was true of destroyers, cruisers and battleships. The Iowa class were the most powerful BBs the US built and they were used into the 1990s, shelling Iraqi forces in Kuwait. Two are now on reserve status to this day...though they are now museums and it is completely unblikely that they will sail again.

And for transport ships? The US had gotten to the point where they were churning our Liberty transport ships at the rate of one every day and a half during World War II!


firfox007 said:
That submarine fire just one of a number of incidents, showing the decrepit nature of the post-Soviet Russian Navy. It has very little funding, and surely cannot put to sea as often as necessary for professional needs.
That's so true. it is a shame to see it. Sadly, the UK's great legacy as a world navy has suffered similarly at least in terms of numbers and over all capability. Their training though, is still up to par and what they do have, they operate very well.

BTW, welcome aboard Fiefox!
 

no_name

Colonel
During war times do countries still pay the shipyards etc for the arms they produced or is there some other arrangements?
 

Scratch

Captain
Russia is set to increase defence spending in the coming years and focus on reequiping it's military with new hardware over the next decade. That's the plan at least. Every now and then there's big "news" about plans to built new carriers, or nuclear subs or what not, but in the end it didn't materialize. So I guess it remains to be seen how far this will actually go.

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Russia Is Remaking Its Armed Forces
Jan 26, 2012 - By Maxim Pyadushkin - Moscow

Russia continues to increase its defense expenditures to modernize military capabilities. Money in the growing budget is being spent to reshape the national military, which is being transformed into a smaller but more effective and better-equipped force.

The federal budget for 2012 and 2013‑14, approved by the Duma in November, calls for further growth of defense expenditures despite a budget deficit. Expenditures could be up 20.9% to 1.85 trillion rubles ($59.8 billion) from 2011, and account for 14.6% of the budget versus 13.9% last year.
Vice Premier Sergey Ivanov announced in late November that the defense procurement plan for 2012 that was to be approved by the end of last year could grow to 2.2 trillion rubles in 2013, and 2.6 trillion rubles in 2014. It may even be more: In the 2011 budget, for example, defense expenditures for 2012 and 2013 were estimated to be 1.6 trillion rubles and 2.1 trillion rubles, respectively.
Military spending as a share of GDP will be 3.1% this year and grow to 3.6% in 2013 and 3.8% in 2014. The Duma’s defense committee notes that beginning in 2013, defense expenditures will finally match the target level of 3.5% of GDP set by Russia’s security council.
Almost 77% of defense expenditures for 2012 will go for the national armed forces. Half of this—730 billion rubles—will be spent on procurement and development of new weapons, or 20% more than in 2011. In coming years these expenditures are set to increase significantly, by 58% in 2013 and by 26% in 2014. According to the military, the rearmament priorities include the strategic nuclear forces, ballistic missiles and air defense; aviation; space systems and systems for command, control, communication, reconnaissance and electronic warfare.
Military purchases are planned within a 10-year procurement program adopted by the government at the end of 2010. The program through 2020 is estimated at 19 trillion rubles. Besides the armed forces, it includes weapons procurement programs for the interior ministry and other paramilitary organizations.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Hello, folks,

This is my first post. I study modern European history, Russian military history as well, so this is a good thread for myself. Thanks for all the well-informed, intelligent posts one sees here.

Welcome to the forum. You will like it here. Its got everything you want in a professional manner forum should be, without all the trash talking. Keep in mind regarding the forum rules (BD Popeye and moderators are very serious about it).

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Russia is set to increase defence spending in the coming years and focus on reequiping it's military with new hardware over the next decade. That's the plan at least. Every now and then there's big "news" about plans to built new carriers, or nuclear subs or what not, but in the end it didn't materialize. So I guess it remains to be seen how far this will actually go.

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Vladimir Putin stated not too long ago that he wanted Russia to start building a second air craft carrier somewhere in the 2020. I can't wait to see it. I'm wondering if they're going to use any catapult systems on the next one.
 

CottageLV

Banned Idiot
What?? I would not call Essex class carriers useless. Nor Iowa class battleships. Nor Gearing & Fletcher class destroyers..

come on, let's be practical. Other than Essex, the rest were still there because it's taxpayers dollars and the government didn't want to waste it. The ships themselves were no longer adequate as soon as antiship missiles were equipped on both sides. Later those ships had to go through major updates and spend years in the dry dock, which in reality had really turned them into different ships. The cost of those upgrades were not much cheaper than building a new ship.

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+1 Gerry, and if I may add... 2 years is not long at all when it comes to ship construction... especially when compared to Russian standards...

Lol, true. But we can't really blame them much for this, since it was one of the best in the world before the collapse. India would be a better example.
 

delft

Brigadier
no wonder why majority of the ships fought in WWII were made before the war, those started construction during the war were useless by the time they're built.
Indeed many of these ships were more useful than HMS Vanguard. The US shipyards did a beautiful job, both naval and merchant.
The Soviet shipyards were mostly on the Baltic and the Black Sea, so not available.

As for not paying shipyards during war time - they will have to pay their workers and they have to buy materials of many kinds.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
No pakje the Russians could only finish one carrier and then the fall of the USSR stopped the second which was sold too china.

The Chances of seeing a new Russian Carrier before then seem about as High a real zombie uprising.
That said I am thinking that the 2020 date is looking better for a start date,because the Mistral Deal would give the Russians access too the latest in large ship propulsion and radar air command systems along side a Capable Helo carrier platform. Add in the Indian navy fighter programs allowing Russia too restart the production line.
speaking of new programs

AK-12.jpg
well the big are still floating the small is changing too.
The new prototype of the former AK200 now AK12.
points of interest according too the Firearms blog include
Multi-caliber 5.45,5.56,7.62x39,and 7.62x51
Ambidextrous forward charging handle.
New safety switch.
New fire control switch with three modes of fire (single shot, 3 round burst and full auto).
New hinged top cover. The cover is a lot more rigid that the previous AK rifles.
milstd style rails
Folding and length adjustable stock.
new pistol grip
New muzzle brake that attaches to standard NATO threading.
Improved barrel rifling.

It still looks too use the same AK74 based gas piston system Although the system from the AK107/108 might have been a better choice.
Barrel length looks like the same ol' 16 inches it looks like the results of a drunken one night stand between a FN scar and a AK.
 
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