Russia sells S-400 systems to China

kwaigonegin

Colonel
At this point of time, I really stopped being impressed with whatever Russia could sell to China. Time really does matters in these kind of sales, every year of delay means another year of R&D on that particular field for China.
By the time the S-400 does makes its appearance in China, chances are that China would already have a domestic equivalent that is at least as good, if not better than what they were offering in the first place. Even if there isn't the R&D done would have seriously lessen whatever chances there is of future purchases.
The Su-35 purchase was perhaps one of the most drawn out and painful sales pitch that Russia could ever do. And a one off sum of 2 billion seems hardly worth it in the long run. But there is a lot more to the deal that we are not privy to.
Russia really needs to pick up a book on how to be a better salesman..................
Rabbit fur and beef... I'm serious!
 
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Deleted member 13312

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I'm actually very interested to read more about the S500. From the little I know thus far, it is hands down one of the best SAMs in the world.
Well as far as records would suggest the S-500 is still not deployed yet. But if its specified specs are anything to be believe it is a very impressive SAM.
600km range would put it on par with the naval based SM-6. If this is deployed in any medium sized country, the entire national airspace would be a no fly zone.
 

ougoah

Brigadier
Registered Member
Why has it become so normal to automatically rubbish any idea that China's industry still can learn from Russian ones? As far as we know, PLA doesn't have anything like S-400. Talk about will have is pointless. It's not impossible that this purchase is real and not done for "charity" reasons. Makes us seem like a delusional bunch like the Indians. Stop.
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
At this point of time, I really stopped being impressed with whatever Russia could sell to China. Time really does matters in these kind of sales, every year of delay means another year of R&D on that particular field for China.
By the time the S-400 does makes its appearance in China, chances are that China would already have a domestic equivalent that is at least as good, if not better than what they were offering in the first place. Even if there isn't the R&D done would have seriously lessen whatever chances there is of future purchases.
The Su-35 purchase was perhaps one of the most drawn out and painful sales pitch that Russia could ever do. And a one off sum of 2 billion seems hardly worth it in the long run. But there is a lot more to the deal that we are not privy to.
Russia really needs to pick up a book on how to be a better salesman..................

Heh! Heh!, why don't we all just admit the Russian's continue to "sell ice to the Eskimo's"???
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Well as far as records would suggest the S-500 is still not deployed yet. But if its specified specs are anything to be believe it is a very impressive SAM.
600km range would put it on par with the naval based SM-6. If this is deployed in any medium sized country, the entire national airspace would be a no fly zone.

One thing Russia has been quite good at and more importantly maintained and preserved their knowledge base on is in missile technologies. While one can argue many other techs have decline or fallen by the wayside since the Fall of USSR, the same cannot be said about their missiles.

They have continued to invest in and make some very good ones on par with anything the US or Israelis can come up with. If I'm a NATO pilot I would be EXTREMELY wary and worry about S300 series and above SAMs even if I'm driving a top flight jet.

As to the Russia vs China argument, my personal opinion is Russian missile tech is still a tad more mature and advanced than China's at this moment in time. China will eventually catch up in the near future and perhaps even surpassed but that day in my opinion has not come yet.
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
One thing Russia has been quite good at and more importantly maintained and preserved their knowledge base on is in missile technologies. While one can argue many other techs have decline or fallen by the wayside since the Fall of USSR, the same cannot be said about their missiles.

They have continued to invest in and make some very good ones on par with anything the US or Israelis can come up with. If I'm a NATO pilot I would be EXTREMELY wary and worry about S300 series and above SAMs even if I'm driving a top flight jet.

As to the Russia vs China argument, my personal opinion is Russian missile tech is still a tad more mature and advanced than China's at this moment in time. China will eventually catch up in the near future and perhaps even surpassed but that day in my opinion has not come yet.

I totally agree that Russian missile tech is ahead of China, but the gap is not significant enough for China to buy new SAM from the Russia (technically), but there is other possibility that China may want to have multiple system SAM to complicate potential aggressor
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
I totally agree that Russian missile tech is ahead of China, but the gap is not significant enough for China to buy new SAM from the Russia (technically), but there is other possibility that China may want to have multiple system SAM to complicate potential aggressor

Like the SU35 deal ToT or even acquiring new hardware is actually just a tiny piece of the acquisition especially in most cases that involves Russia and China. I would say economic benefits is the biggest driver. Like I said in my previous post rabbits, beef, grain, oil, gas and cold hard cash etc. etc.
I wasn't being facetious. ok maybe a tiny bit!
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
I totally agree that Russian missile tech is ahead of China, but the gap is not significant enough for China to buy new SAM from the Russia (technically), but there is other possibility that China may want to have multiple system SAM to complicate potential aggressor

I doubt that, Russian missile program doesn't even have anything like China's DF-21D and the more advanced version DF-26 ASBM.
 
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