QBZ-191 service rifle family

EdgeOfEcho

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LawLeadsToPeace said:
Agreed. It doesn't have the length of a suppressor, the cage style configuration of a flash hider, nor the holes like that of typical compensators and muzzle brakes. Unless the Chinese invented a new type of muzzle device or a new version of an existing one or perhaps the muzzle device is some sort of blocker, I think the rifle might be a mock up. Plus, the multi-cam pants makes me suspicious that the person may be one of those military fans or an actor.
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It is really hard to say tbh...

On the one hand, the muzzle device is weird.. but it is not impossible for QBU-191 to have a different muzzle flash compared to QBZ-191, since none of us have seen the entirety of QBU-191

But on the other hand, 208 institute's official Weibo account "retweeted" these photos and added some remarks about it, but this alone should not be taken as much evidence since this account also retweets and post all kinds of gun related stuff, including fan-made stuff.

However, I suspect the picture might be likely to be real for another reason. The optic. The optic matches what we have seen previously that were issued on other QBU-191's. It still could be fan made stuff, but I feel like no one has seen the new optic entirely, so how do they have the specs to make a 1:1 replica of this new optic?
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With regards to the pants, that is really hard to say.... Maybe he is a member of the 208 institute but not a part of the PLA? He is able to get a drum mag into QBU191, he probably is not in the PLA, but has access to PLA equipment.

But then again, hard to tell. Maybe this version of QBU-191 is a early prototype version of QBU-191?
 
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EdgeOfEcho said:
It is really hard to say tbh...

On the one hand, the muzzle device is weird.. but it is not impossible for QBU-191 to have a different muzzle flash compared to QBZ-191, since none of us have seen the entirety of QBU-191

But on the other hand, 208 institute's official Weibo account "retweeted" these photos and added some remarks about it, but this alone should not be taken as much evidence since this account also retweets and post all kinds of gun related stuff, including fan-made stuff.

However, I suspect the picture might be likely to be real for another reason. The optic. The optic matches what we have seen previously that were issued on other QBU-191's. It still could be fan made stuff, but I feel like no one has seen the new optic entirely, so how do they have the specs to make a 1:1 replica of this new optic?
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With regards to the pants, that is really hard to say.... Maybe he is a member of the 208 institute but not a part of the PLA? He is able to get a drum mag into QBU191, he probably is not in the PLA, but has access to PLA equipment.

But then again, hard to tell. Maybe this version of QBU-191 is a early prototype version of QBU-191?
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Hm. That muddies things a bit. It is possible that this is a prototype version since we have seen leaked photos of the rifle version being tested. However we have seen fans 3d printing out gel blaster versions of the rifles and scopes. At this point, unless the photo is super obvious, I would just take everything with a pinch of salt.
 
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EdgeOfEcho said:
It is really hard to say tbh...

On the one hand, the muzzle device is weird.. but it is not impossible for QBU-191 to have a different muzzle flash compared to QBZ-191, since none of us have seen the entirety of QBU-191

But on the other hand, 208 institute's official Weibo account "retweeted" these photos and added some remarks about it, but this alone should not be taken as much evidence since this account also retweets and post all kinds of gun related stuff, including fan-made stuff.

However, I suspect the picture might be likely to be real for another reason. The optic. The optic matches what we have seen previously that were issued on other QBU-191's. It still could be fan made stuff, but I feel like no one has seen the new optic entirely, so how do they have the specs to make a 1:1 replica of this new optic?
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With regards to the pants, that is really hard to say.... Maybe he is a member of the 208 institute but not a part of the PLA? He is able to get a drum mag into QBU191, he probably is not in the PLA, but has access to PLA equipment.

But then again, hard to tell. Maybe this version of QBU-191 is a early prototype version of QBU-191?

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That Weibo poster is apparently a police officer in Qingdao, specifically a tactical instructor. I browsed through every photograph in his Weibo account, and his credentials appear genuine. His Weibo album shows that he has access to a variety of real firearms such as QBZ-95s, NORINCO pistols, and other police and PAP service models as well as genuine optics. His album also contains many images of dummy training guns and 3D-printed mockups. However, none of the images demonstrates that he has any professional/formal connection to a military branch or has access to military small arms, not withstanding those shared by the military and the PAP.

On balance, I think the image shows a mockup, but has a genuine optic attached, an optic he would have access to from his line of work.
 
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Not sure if this is legit (it seems pretty legit to me tho). But even if it is a training model, it is still the first time we see what the entire handguard looks like on the marksman version.
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Agreed. Plus it backs up Blitzo’s claim that the rifle’s hand guard can be swapped out for that of the dmr version.
 
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Not sure if this is legit (it seems pretty legit to me tho). But even if it is a training model, it is still the first time we see what the entire handguard looks like on the marksman version.
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Is the barrel length what we expected before for the dmr?

It looks a bit shorter than what I recall but that may just be perspective..

Or maybe it's just a longer hand guard..

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Saru said:
Its definitely perspective
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I doubt it, the barrel should look shorter if facing forward but since we're seeing from the side, it definitely longer than the above picture. Not to mention, the barrel from the picture attached looks longer. PS, how can I make the picture bigger like you guys?
 

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Saru said:
Its definitely perspective
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I thought so perhaps as well, but this comparison, scaled appropriately (note barrel thickness and muzzle device and overall proportions), made by a colleague, makes me think possibly otherwise.

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Aniah said:
I doubt it, the barrel should look shorter if facing forward but since we're seeing from the side, it definitely longer than the above picture. Not to mention, the barrel from the picture attached looks longer. PS, how can I make the picture bigger like you guys?
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When you attach the picture, there's an "insert as full image" option/button.
 
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