QBZ-191 service rifle family

LawLeadsToPeace

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It's quite interesting that Chinese article analyzed and pointed out what i said. Some of the people in the comments said that a C-clamp grip is not suitable to real life situations. Can someone expand upon that?
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"When using the C-Clamp, there is torque which may not affect the competitive target shooter but will eventually affect the SWAT cop clearing rooms, floors, and buildings. This unusual torque can exaggerate minor fatigue, resulting in less effective shots on target"

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"I choose to not utilize this technique for several reasons. Primarily longevity is what I worry about, the C grip can be incredibly fatiguing and difficult to employ properly if you’re already exhausted. Sure you can train your ass off at the gym but it still puts a lot of strain on the shoulder and when lugging around gear and kit, I don’t like to work harder than I have to. Second I never know what weapon I’ll be using so I try to find a technique that is synonymous with most if not all of the possibilities, a more traditional grip seems to accomplish that nicely, given most firearms are designed around it or a close variant"

In short, it can start sapping on your strength due to the arm position. So, as cool as it looks, it may not be suitable for real-life scenarios.
 

gongolongo

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"When using the C-Clamp, there is torque which may not affect the competitive target shooter but will eventually affect the SWAT cop clearing rooms, floors, and buildings. This unusual torque can exaggerate minor fatigue, resulting in less effective shots on target"

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"I choose to not utilize this technique for several reasons. Primarily longevity is what I worry about, the C grip can be incredibly fatiguing and difficult to employ properly if you’re already exhausted. Sure you can train your ass off at the gym but it still puts a lot of strain on the shoulder and when lugging around gear and kit, I don’t like to work harder than I have to. Second I never know what weapon I’ll be using so I try to find a technique that is synonymous with most if not all of the possibilities, a more traditional grip seems to accomplish that nicely, given most firearms are designed around it or a close variant"

In short, it can start sapping on your strength due to the arm position. So, as cool as it looks, it may not be suitable for real-life scenarios.
Yep, it's mainly for CQC. But you rarely ever use it because of how tiring it is on your arm. Firefights can last for hours and most of the time i was resting my gun on whatever I could if possible.
 

Saru

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Yep, it's mainly for CQC. But you rarely ever use it because of how tiring it is on your arm. Firefights can last for hours and most of the time i was resting my gun on whatever I could if possible.
C Clamp and Thumb Over Bore Grip is mainly for CQB Tasks rather than Long distance infantry field. Its fine for this guy to use the C Clamp he's a Firearms Competitor their role is to ensure the best accuracy while sacrificing a lot of endurance they still have that recoil control in a short moment as these competitions don't last longer than an hour.
 

Saru

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China has been conducting a Special Police drill in Zhumadian, Henan with the QBZ191 not very far from recently. Looks like the Special Police and CTU units are being equipped with them sooner than expected.

Note the footage is unclear and these may a as well be models as people claim they are plastic steel models. The white tape on it is what gave me the impression its a real model.

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Boneroyalx

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China has been conducting a Special Police drill in Zhumadian, Henan with the QBZ191 not very far from recently. Looks like the Special Police and CTU units are being equipped with them sooner than expected.

Note the footage is unclear and these may a as well be models as people claim they are plastic steel models. The white tape on it is what gave me the impression its a real model.

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Not sure if someone else agrees, but the gun looks a bit "plasticy", mostly on the handguard grooves. It might be the training model.

The previous video also gave us a sight of the bolt-hold open mechanism, and how pulling the bolt further back makes it go forward.
 

by78

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Regular army troops with 191s.

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taxiya

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the recoil still looks a bit high to be honest, even with the c clamp. Maybe overgassed? Or his stature? One of the commentators under the video said that they shot the 191 and the recoil was fine. So maybe its his stature
compared with M-16A1 single shot here
at 1:13. By looking at the muzzle jump, I don't see difference. Also the guy in the M-16A1 footage is of heavier build, so his body would move backwards much less than the QBZ-191 shooter. So I believe the commentator, afterall he/she tried the real thing, and probably M-16 (copy or real) as well.
 
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