PRC VCE and low bypass engines (fighters, tactical jets, UAVs, others)

Alfa_Particle

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While we've talked about this before, I don't believe anyone has posted this yet. Here's a radar + IR blocker integrated afterburner, one of the patentnees being the very chief engineer of the WS-15, dating back to 2021. I think this should give a very solid (but of course, not concrete) answer to the "does the WS-15 actually have a radar blocker?" question (I personally find it silly that this is even a question in the first place):
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One more, this time a peek at the front instead of rear.
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Interestingly, the F119 has 21 vanes, while the F135 had 17. This one? 19.
 

siegecrossbow

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While we've talked about this before, I don't believe anyone has posted this yet. Here's a radar + IR blocker integrated afterburner, one of the patentnees being the very chief engineer of the WS-15, dating back to 2021. I think this should give a very solid (but of course, not concrete) answer to the "does the WS-15 actually have a radar blocker?" question (I personally find it silly that this is even a question in the first place):
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Just a nail in the coffin sort of the deal here. If you have enough thrust you definitely want to have good rearward stealth as well. If you do not it is something you need to trade off.
 

sunnymaxi

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SiC_f/Ti Titanium matrix composite (TMC) material tested by AECC probably for blisk/bling. Is anyone aware of any existing engine with TMC compressors?
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AFAIK so far none. TMCs are still considered primarily in the advanced developmental, testing, or niche production phases rather than widespread, standard commercial use, largely due to high production costs and manufacturing complexity. GE and Pratt & Whitney have focused on using fiber-reinforced TMCs for compressor rotors and blades.
 

Alfa_Particle

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Seems quite useful for ACEs given their lower LPC counts:Screenshot_20260315_211916_org_mozilla_firefox_HomeActivity.jpg
Oh and, quick note. I don't know how I haven't explicitly realised this but let's go back to 2022 when academician Huang Weina presented this:
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We've seen this many times now and it serves as a rough ballpark for how much thrust the WS-19 makes, in this case, ~9,900 kgf.

Many would've said this is quite a bit lower than what we're expecting/I've said (~11,000-13,000 kgf), and in the past I've consistently pointed out that the data on the graph is actually just reflective of the tech demo (WS-X9). But what I want to say now is, look at this next slide:
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In which it says, "需求满足率已超过90%." Of course, it doesn't say that it's talking about thrust only (or at all). But if we work this out backwards using ~9,900 kgf, then a 100% would be ~11,000 kgf. Which lines up perfectly with what was outlined 15 years ago:
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Of course, I'm not saying these specs are completely reflective of what the WS-19 is *now*. But I'm just saying that I would be very comfortable saying, with confidence, that the WS-19 puts out ≥110 kN (not kgf, I'm going by the table).

This is already clearly established by credible rumours but I'm just looking at this via explicit, tangible official figures. Just haven't seen anyone explicitly making this link, so I'm putting it here.

P.S. The Guancha Trio did say it produces thrust 1.X tonnes-force less than the AL-31F (122.6 kN or 12,502 kgf. I'm 'guessing' ~115 kN at this stage). Lines up eerily well. And, I honestly expect the WS-19 to have improved on other aspects of the table now.

P.P.S. I still stand by the 12,000-13,000 kgf figure, but that might have to wait until the WS-19H.

P.P.P.S. Oh and it even lines up with this too (even if it's not explicitly stated to be written by AVIC officials. Coincidence maybe? ;) ):
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Pinko

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J-35 propulsion contract given to AECC Guiyang research institute. they have designed so far only three major low bypass Engines. WS-13/WS-21 and WS-19.

Ms Huang was in UK for higher studies in propulsion Technologies when WS-13 development completed. she returned to China and immediately joined AECC Guiyang. as per own statement from Guiyang she has more than 30 years experience and worked in multiple programs before. this is related to ''member of a design team'' not as a chief designer coz back then all major Engine programs were under AVIC and had male leaders.

when AECC established in 2016 she is promoted as Chief designer of newly formed subsidiary AECC Guiyang. since then two major projects launched one is WS-21 on the base of previously designed WS-13 with modification and second is a clean-sheet design which is now called WS-19. she has designed two low bypass Engines as a chief designer and the same thing article also mentioned.
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in 2022, Ms Huang first time revealed WS-21 officially and announced J-35 has this Engine and single unit thrust is around 9 tons. she also revealed WS-19 and told. we are the first Engine institute in China to digitalized the design process of Engine which significantly reduced its development cycle.

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now in 2024..


this statement is directly from AECC Guiyang institute. now guess which aircraft successfully equipped with Chinese heart in 2024 when WS-21 already fitted on J-35 years ago and she was moved to tears ? obvious its WS-19.

Lady Huang totally transformed AECC Guiyang from cultivated local talent to supply chain of critical parts. coz of her service to the nation she is elected the member of Chinese academy of Engineering last year. out of 72,000 members in all AECC Subsidiaries only 9-10 people are the members of Chinese academy of science and Academy of Engineering.
As I always reply: never say never.

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