PRC/PLA 2015 Victory Parade Thread

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
In other words, IMO it is only the range and the speed of which they can cross the range which makes AShBM a "game changer".
AShBMs can be countered directly through counter missiles (ABM) or indirectly by attacking its kill chain, and in that sense it is not that different to the counters against air strikes or long range cruise missiles, as those strike methods can also be countered directly (SAMs, ciws, CAP) or indirectly (attacking the kill chain's recon aircraft, AEW&C aircraft, command/control, etc).
AShBMs are unique today, because they have the ability to expand the scope of danger in a very wide way, with relatively short travel time, that no other weapon does.
my point is Blitz it's a very conventional threat, based on a evolution of existing technologies. It's key threat is it's range and speed vs a Target but it's key weakness must be targeting and assuring of acquisition at range. Although difficult to counter it's not impossible to counter.
It has been hyped as the ultimate carrier killer that renders such vessels as antiquated as the battleship.
I however find this dubious as antiship missiles are not a new system and neither are defense concepts against them. These are not Martian Tripods with heat rays they are a variation of existing technologies.
 

Blitzo

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my point is Blitz it's a very conventional threat, based on a evolution of existing technologies. It's key threat is it's range and speed vs a Target but it's key weakness must be targeting and assuring of acquisition at range. Although difficult to counter it's not impossible to counter.
It has been hyped as the ultimate carrier killer that renders such vessels as antiquated as the battleship.
I however find this dubious as antiship missiles are not a new system and neither are defense concepts against them. These are not Martian Tripods with heat rays they are a variation of existing technologies.

I understand your point, but at the same time I think you're also missing part of mine.

The media has obviously hyped the weapon quite dramatically, and suggestions that AShBMs make carriers obsolete are ridiculous. Obviously the same challenges of having a reliable kill chain to support an AShBM exists today just as it has existed in the past for long range anti ship cruise missiles, and general maritime strike going back to WWII.

However I think it's also correct to say that AShBMs are a new type of threat "profile" that carriers have not faced before. Note that I'm being very specific to say "carriers," because part of a carrier's effectiveness is the ability to project airpower against a foe while the carrier itself remains out of reach of an enemy. What an AShBM does for the first time, is provide a very large possible engagement envelope against an opposing carrier, with a very small transit time. That forces a carrier to operate at extended ranges if the threat is considered real, which restricts the effectiveness of strike packages lest the carrier itself be put in harm's potential way.
It is a very specific type of threat that cannot be easily reproduced as it requires a large and potentially vulnerable kill chain, and the threat itself does not make carriers obsolete, but it can potentially place quite severe limits as to the effectiveness of carriers seeking to conduct long range strike operations which no other weapon in existence at present can do.
 

Jeff Head

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plawolf

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Ultra, you're being far too simplistic in your thinking. You see a TEL and a tube and do you immediately think it is an operational missile? Really?

Consider how many operational missile TELs China actually has, and how often we actually get pictures of them. Almost never.

Exactly. In addition, none of the vehicles in those pictures actually look like TELs. Sure, the cab layout looks a little similar, but remember those fake IRBMs NK showed off a little while back during a parade? They bought the transports from Chinese civilian companies.

If you wanted to and had the money to do so, you could go and buy yourself one of those exactly same superheavy trucks and paint it green. But adding a big cylinder to it does not make you a nuclear power.

Not every such superheavy truck with a large diameter cylinder on it in China is carrying an ICBM, otherwise China would have missiles to rival the Russians and Americans. :rolleyes:

Do you actually see any sort of police or military escorts anywhere in those pictures you posted? A single person in uniform?

The fact that you have guys in jeans and trainers and other civilian clothing milling around, with the doors to the cab open would suggest those civies are the drivers and crews on that rig.

There is lax security, but there is zero security in those pictures you posted, which is a clear sign those trucks are not TELs, and what they are transporting are not missiles.

Those pictures just show trucks carrying large cylinders, which could be anything from a section of prefabricated tunnel, to specialist machinery, to the legs of oil rigs or wind turbines or any number of things.

That, incidentally, also shows how hard it is to find ICBMs in China - there is so much general civilian and commercial activity involving superheavy trucks that you are likely to get a hello of a lot of false positives.

As for Ultra's fanciful (to put it politely) plots about ambushes or bombs, well, lets just say that would be unrealistic even for the movies and does not warrant any more of my time.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Good point wolf. Part of the whole reason why the Russians and I suspect the PRC use TEL over silos is a silo is a fixed target with only a set number. A enemy could in theory target and knock out a fixed number of silo. Where TEL are mobile and farther can be decoyed making them harder targets.
 

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We have seen those fantastic contingents marching pass, now let's visit the moments before the 9.3 Parade starts.

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