PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

Blitzo

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again rumour, believe what you will

says that 095 is under construction in North (this I'm pretty sure is true from previous sources in Huludao), it will come out sometime next year and be a cruise missile nuclear submarine (SSGN?). Initial batch has 2 units, uses high temperature gas-cooled reactor, high energy battery pack, certain electric generator, pumpjet propulsion, 650 mm torpedo (can launch shkval type torpedo, wire guided torpedo, some cloned wake homing torpedo), conformal sonar, HD digital nautical charts, optical gyroscope, hydrological conditions real-time correction system, DB with world's different ship's accoustic signature. It says it uses blue-green laser communication and long-wave radio station through the ionosphere and upper mantle to the very low frequency communication. It says that uses newest tooling systems, much higher welding standard and such. noise level is at 100 db.
Does the cruise missile submarine mean a submarine capable of carrying cruise missiles (like late LA class, seawolf etc), or real SSGN's like the Oscar and modified Ohio's?
If the latter, then I'd be surprised, seeing as most people assumed 095 would be SSN... And the odd 09X designation is usually for SSN's.

The noise level if true would be pretty good -- apparently seawolf is around 95 DB (from a quick google search).
 

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Does the cruise missile submarine mean a submarine capable of carrying cruise missiles (like late LA class, seawolf etc), or real SSGN's like the Oscar and modified Ohio's?
If the latter, then I'd be surprised, seeing as most people assumed 095 would be SSN... And the odd 09X designation is usually for SSN's.

The noise level if true would be pretty good -- apparently seawolf is around 95 DB (from a quick google search).

Yes....The 100db is less than that of the LA Class (110db - 115db). Seawolf, Virginia class are below 100db IIRC, but I think the real values are classified. It seems both of them did better than the requirements. But tphuang pointed out that its a rumour.
 

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basically saying that Yuan submarine's integrated quieting technology won 2009 China's science technology improvement award. Actually, it didn't really say Yuan, but people assume it's yuan because it's described as a third general diesel submarine.
元级潜艇的综合减震降噪技术荣获2009年度国家科技进步特等奖
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Yuan from the south sea fleet. In the picture with 168, it's further away. Not really sure which Yuan it is. Unfortunately, we haven't been getting any updates on new Yuans. I presume they are not getting built, so this must be from the second batch.
 

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Yuan in the South Sea fleet is usually the first Yuan. I think that's the original. All the new Yuans went to the East Sea Fleet. You can tell by the windows and the limber holes along the sub that its the first.

If this Yuan #1, then it never rejoined the ones on the ESF. Likely the Yuan flotilla on the ESF is a full four new Yuans, as in four new ones, instead of three new one plus the old one. All these pics is at the naval base in Sanya. The conventional subs stay in the same port as the surface ships are; the nuclear subs are in a separate installation.
 
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The flotilla picture we saw about a year ago (maybe?) had 3 Yuans and 1 Song. I think that one would be 4 Yuans by now, because we saw that new Yuan testing out a couple of months ago. The only thing is I'm not sure that flotilla is in ESF, because the previous pictures we got of the 2nd batch of Yuans were taken several months before that flotilla picture was taken and they might have moved to SSF from their sea trials in east china sea.
 

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I never seen the new Yuans in any of the SSF bases. Pictures would easily have been taken since the topography of the SSF naval base makes picture taking a lot easier than the ESF bases. There are about two ESF sub bases that I know of that are in river, and the photos of the new Yuans are consistent to being based in those bases. In the SSF, both sub bases are in Sanya, one for the conventional and the other for the nuclear ones.

I definitely think the flotilla of new Yuans are in ESF, and has remained there where there is a greater priority of conventional subs and littoral sea warfare, while the SSF and NSF have the nuclear subs, plus some conventional subs to balance things out.
 

lilzz

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Interior of Chinese submarine

Inside of the Song submarine. I think those those equipments are not up to par with western standard.

I hope they have better ones for the Yuan and 094, 095..

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lilzz

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I upload some US sub interior pic for comparison. Obviously the PLAN sub equipments need to do some of catch up . The complexity and sophistication of PLAN sub equipments are several notches below.

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