Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
Also needs to assume whether how many 039A there actually is, if the original 039A isn't the only one.
Also needs to assume whether how many 039A there actually is, if the original 039A isn't the only one.
PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread
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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
Whats that sub posted by Umggc in the Somali Pirates and Chinese Navy Thread
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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
It is said to be about---it should be under---70 meters. That rules out any nuclear sub. It also rules out some of the older long thin type subs of the Whiskey, Foxtrot or Romeo vintage. However, that puts it in the vast majority of the more modern SSKs out there, including the Kilo and Type 209. I feel that its a Kilo, because it was described to have a rather wide 15m beam. The beam of the Kilo is not as wide like that, but I would assume that's a visual estimate, which is subject to error. Generally I would take that this submarine has a wide beam. That lessens the chance it is a Type 209 and more of a Kilo, which is probably the more prolific type in the Indian Ocean. And there is two sources of that nearby, either Indian or Iranian.
It is said to be about---it should be under---70 meters. That rules out any nuclear sub. It also rules out some of the older long thin type subs of the Whiskey, Foxtrot or Romeo vintage. However, that puts it in the vast majority of the more modern SSKs out there, including the Kilo and Type 209. I feel that its a Kilo, because it was described to have a rather wide 15m beam. The beam of the Kilo is not as wide like that, but I would assume that's a visual estimate, which is subject to error. Generally I would take that this submarine has a wide beam. That lessens the chance it is a Type 209 and more of a Kilo, which is probably the more prolific type in the Indian Ocean. And there is two sources of that nearby, either Indian or Iranian.
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
News splattered everywhere.
China increases submarine patrols - report
by Staff Writers
Washington (AFP) Feb 3, 2009
China nearly doubled the number of patrols by its fleet of attack submarines last year, surpassing Russia but still far behind the United States, the Federation of American Scientists reported Tuesday.
The report, based on declassified information provided by US naval intelligence, said Chinese attack submarines conducted 12 patrols in 2008, compared to seven in 2007, two in 2006 and none in 2005.
"While the increase in submarine patrols is important, it has to be seen in comparison with the size of the Chinese submarine fleet," said Hans Kristensen, director of the organization's nuclear information project.
"With approximately 54 submarines, the patrol rate means that each submarine on average goes on patrol once every four and a half years," he said.
The patrols may have been carried out by just the most modern and capable types of submarines in the Chinese fleet, the report said, noting that a new class of nuclear-powered Shang-class attack submarines is replacing the aging Han-class.
In an interview, Kristensen said the information, although sketchy, was a window into how Chinese naval operations are changing as it builds up its forces.
"We don't know where they went or for how long. But it certainly seems to be a new mission. They have been very modest in their patrols in the past," he said.
"The fact that from one year to another they have doubled their patrols seems that they have something new to do," he said.
"It could be, as we've heard for the last four years or so, an attempt to expand their naval defense barrier further eastward into the Pacific," he said.
In comparison with other major navies, a dozen patrols a year "are not much," the report said.
"The patrol rate of the US attack submarine fleet, which is focused on long-range patrols and probably operate regularly near the Chinese coast, is much higher with each submarine conducting at least one extended patrol per year," it said.
"But the Chinese patrol rate is higher than that of the Russian navy, which in 2008 conducted only seven attack submarine patrols, the same as in 2007," it said.
China has yet to conduct a single patrol by a ballistic missile submarine, according to the report.
"The old Xia, China's first SSBN, completed a multi-year overhaul in late-2007 but did not sail on patrol in 2008," it said.
"Neither the Xia-class (Type-092) ballistic missile submarine nor the new Jin-class (Type-094) have ever conducted a deterrent patrol," it said.
News splattered everywhere.
China increases submarine patrols - report
by Staff Writers
Washington (AFP) Feb 3, 2009
China nearly doubled the number of patrols by its fleet of attack submarines last year, surpassing Russia but still far behind the United States, the Federation of American Scientists reported Tuesday.
The report, based on declassified information provided by US naval intelligence, said Chinese attack submarines conducted 12 patrols in 2008, compared to seven in 2007, two in 2006 and none in 2005.
"While the increase in submarine patrols is important, it has to be seen in comparison with the size of the Chinese submarine fleet," said Hans Kristensen, director of the organization's nuclear information project.
"With approximately 54 submarines, the patrol rate means that each submarine on average goes on patrol once every four and a half years," he said.
The patrols may have been carried out by just the most modern and capable types of submarines in the Chinese fleet, the report said, noting that a new class of nuclear-powered Shang-class attack submarines is replacing the aging Han-class.
In an interview, Kristensen said the information, although sketchy, was a window into how Chinese naval operations are changing as it builds up its forces.
"We don't know where they went or for how long. But it certainly seems to be a new mission. They have been very modest in their patrols in the past," he said.
"The fact that from one year to another they have doubled their patrols seems that they have something new to do," he said.
"It could be, as we've heard for the last four years or so, an attempt to expand their naval defense barrier further eastward into the Pacific," he said.
In comparison with other major navies, a dozen patrols a year "are not much," the report said.
"The patrol rate of the US attack submarine fleet, which is focused on long-range patrols and probably operate regularly near the Chinese coast, is much higher with each submarine conducting at least one extended patrol per year," it said.
"But the Chinese patrol rate is higher than that of the Russian navy, which in 2008 conducted only seven attack submarine patrols, the same as in 2007," it said.
China has yet to conduct a single patrol by a ballistic missile submarine, according to the report.
"The old Xia, China's first SSBN, completed a multi-year overhaul in late-2007 but did not sail on patrol in 2008," it said.
"Neither the Xia-class (Type-092) ballistic missile submarine nor the new Jin-class (Type-094) have ever conducted a deterrent patrol," it said.
