PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

[A.Man]

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This is what I found in Chinese website

401，402已退役。
403，404，405，406在青岛。
093有3条：三亚2条（有图有真相），青岛1条。
094目前服役2条：青岛和三亚各1，
另在小平岛有1在训练，将来给三亚（三亚码头扩建已完成）。
目前在葫芦岛有1条094和1条093B在建（GE图有，另有真相图）
这样一来093和094将各有4条。
下一步将开工095和096了

401, 402 Decommissioned;
403, 402, 405, 406 are in Qingdao;
3 093's: 2 in Sanya (has photo to proof), one in Qingdao;
094 2 commissioned: Qingdao and Sanya one each;
In addition, Xiaopingdao has one for training, will transfer to Sanya in the future (Sanya finished expansion);
Now, Huludao is building one 094 and one 093B (GE Photo, also other photos to prove);
In this case, 093 and 094 classes have 4 each;
Next step will be 095 and 096.

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[Lion]

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China' GDP in 1982 was only $281B compared to its GDP in 2012 $8.2T .... almost 30x bigger!

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Now its already official 9 trillion.

 

[Blitzo]

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This is what I found in Chinese website

401，402已退役。
403，404，405，406在青岛。
093有3条：三亚2条（有图有真相），青岛1条。
094目前服役2条：青岛和三亚各1，
另在小平岛有1在训练，将来给三亚（三亚码头扩建已完成）。
目前在葫芦岛有1条094和1条093B在建（GE图有，另有真相图）
这样一来093和094将各有4条。
下一步将开工095和096了

401, 402 Decommissioned;
403, 402, 405, 406 are in Qingdao;
3 093's: 2 in Sanya (has photo to proof), one in Qingdao;
094 2 commissioned: Qingdao and Sanya one each;
In addition, Xiaopingdao has one for training, will transfer to Sanya in the future (Sanya finished expansion);
Now, Huludao is building one 094 and one 093B (GE Photo, also other photos to prove);
In this case, 093 and 094 classes have 4 each;
Next step will be 095 and 096.

Could you at least link us to this website?

 

[rhino123]

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Old news from a website that I do not know if it is accurate or not. It did mentioned that the 401 and 402 had been decomissioned. However, since I am not sure of the validity of the website. We should take it with a big cup of salt.

 

[MwRYum]

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Watched the program.

After watching, found that inside the "092" are mechanics and manual opearated machines which are more like Soviet era subs than a modern sub. But I have no doubt about modernisation of the SSBN fleets of PLAN into modern subs with much more modern and advancement in electronics, navigation, firing, communications. If there isnt any advancement now, then there would be not this declassified "092". So there would be new technologies on 094 I conclude.

However, that would be in another 42 years later before we could see the advance in the new 094 subs and so on...

Or, if and when the PLAN is confident enough to show off their nuclear arms...but such requires a huge policy shift from all the way up the top.

 

[Lion]

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Didn't USN intelligent agency reported PLAN SSN and SSBN never venture beyond the brown water??

But this documentary reported their SSN and SSBN already attained ocean going capabilities and even attempted 90 days continuous underwater diving. It seems in fact, PLAN SSN are quite active in performing their long distance voyage. Does this means its another failure of US intelligences?

 

[asif iqbal]

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This is why bubbleheads have good sign on bonuses before heading to BESS, Nuke A school or NNPTC. There is NO WAY I can go that long cramped in that metal boat and not seeing the sun or even the sea for months!!!

Well this is it, SSN life is tough life, the Trafalgar Class SSN have only around 10 inchs between bunks headspace submariners sleep in shifts and you can’t turn over you must lie only straight, it’s not unknown for these guys to have nightmares waking up thinking they are in a coffin alive, some of them are above 6ft and life is made even more difficult

The new Astute Class are much better but still its life under water and as such they are a very elite bunch of people, even more so the captain, the captain of a SSN or SSBN is a class above, in a league of their own very very dedicated leaders who need to keep moral of their sailors up

 

[vincent]

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Didn't USN intelligent agency reported PLAN SSN and SSBN never venture beyond the brown water??

But this documentary reported their SSN and SSBN already attained ocean going capabilities and even attempted 90 days continuous underwater diving. It seems in fact, PLAN SSN are quite active in performing their long distance voyage. Does this means its another failure of US intelligences?

I think the US intelligences said the subs don't go on combat patrols. Those voyages the show mentioned may be just trial/training runs.

 

[tphuang]

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This is what I found in Chinese website

401，402已退役。
403，404，405，406在青岛。
093有3条：三亚2条（有图有真相），青岛1条。
094目前服役2条：青岛和三亚各1，
另在小平岛有1在训练，将来给三亚（三亚码头扩建已完成）。
目前在葫芦岛有1条094和1条093B在建（GE图有，另有真相图）
这样一来093和094将各有4条。
下一步将开工095和096了

401, 402 Decommissioned;
403, 402, 405, 406 are in Qingdao;
3 093's: 2 in Sanya (has photo to proof), one in Qingdao;
094 2 commissioned: Qingdao and Sanya one each;
In addition, Xiaopingdao has one for training, will transfer to Sanya in the future (Sanya finished expansion);
Now, Huludao is building one 094 and one 093B (GE Photo, also other photos to prove);
In this case, 093 and 094 classes have 4 each;
Next step will be 095 and 096.

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So he is reporting one more 093 than we thought. Time to start looking at those satellite photos again of Qingdao. Exciting times.

Didn't USN intelligent agency reported PLAN SSN and SSBN never venture beyond the brown water??

But this documentary reported their SSN and SSBN already attained ocean going capabilities and even attempted 90 days continuous underwater diving. It seems in fact, PLAN SSN are quite active in performing their long distance voyage. Does this means its another failure of US intelligences?

It spent most of its time in East China sea and yellow sea. Those were also done as part of test trials and such.

Those ONI report did not say PLAN never venture beyond the brown water?. They just provided the number of patrols that Chinese subs went on.

In fact, the last time the figure came out to be 12. Which is pretty good considering how many nuclear subs China has and how USN defines as patrol.

Actually if we really go through the history of 091, that's a treasure trove of information there. It's quite clear the first two and even 403 were experimental boats. Considering where China's nuclear reactor technology was in the 70s, this certain made a lot of sense. Other important thing to note is that even 405 took 13 years to go from laying down to commissioning. And the period from launch to handing over was quite short, which would indicate a lot of sea trials were done after handing over to navy. Now, if we shift that to first two units of 093 which were launched around 2003. Even if we assume that it took 7 years instead of 13 years to go from laying down to commissioning, that would put the laying down in 1996. That means the nuclear reactor would've had to be completed by then. Which means, it was still using early 90s reactor technology. In civilian sphere, China was only able to build Qinshan-1 at that time.

Considering how much China's nuclear industry has advanced since then. Remember Qinshan-2 reactors didn't get connected until 2002. Let's say that Huludao shipyards can go from laying down to launch as 5 years. The 093B we saw recently would be using whatever reactor technology China had by the middle of 2000s. That would point to a far more efficient and quiet reactor than would've been available to the first 093s.

 

[Lion]

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It spent most of its time in East China sea and yellow sea. Those were also done as part of test trials and such.

The documentary video never claimed PLAN SSN spent most of the time in East China Sea and yellow Sea. Do you based your conclusion on ONI report?

In fact, the PLAN submarine officer proudly declared to the reporter that PLAN SSN definitely attained Blue water capabilites when the reporter try to double comfirm this point by asking him again. From the confident reply of the officer, It seems that ocean going patrol is routine for them and I doubt 12 a year is a decent number for 6 SSN.