PLAN Sovremenny DDG 136, 137, 138 & 139 Thread

[Tam]

any type of ship capable to launch a missile comparable to moskit

Like and comparable are two different meanings.

If its a supersonic missile like the Moskit, that would be the YJ-12. It is assumed, based on Chinese internet, that the Type 051B refit might be carrying YJ-12s. This is visually difficult to confirm, since both YJ-12 and YJ-18 appear to have this similar long squarish canister with bezel corners. Making this even more complicated is that the DJ-10 or DH-10 cruise missile or its antiship version, which maybe the YJ-100, shares this canister.

Comparable has a more expansive meaning. Comparable at range may include the YJ-62 which equips the Type 052C. Comparable in range, has supersonic terminal stage and punch, you have the YJ-18 that equips the Type 052D and Type 055. The Sovs were essentially obsolete when the Type 052C and Ds came out for the PLAN. The YJ-18 however, represents a whole different missile design and technology to the YJ-12 and the Moskit.

If you want to assume that one Moskit might have the same probability of kill (PK) as two YJ-83, older destroyers like Type 051, 051B before refit, 052 and 052B have 16 YJ-83s. That's a lot of antiship missiles for a ship when the average is only eight. The Sovremennyy has 8 Moskits.

Taiwan's navy has ships that equip with the Hsiung Feng III. That missile is directly comparable to Moskit in design and purpose, even with performance but is smaller. This is a good reason for PLAN to practice to defend itself against supersonic ASM threats, not to mention Vietnam has Klubs and India having Brahmos.

 

[Iron Man]

If that is the case, why would you drop two target channels on 956?

It could be a matter of cost, lack of 6-channel capability, or lack of perceived need, or a combination thereof.

 

[Tam]

What is the Chinese indigenous equal of Soveremenny?

There is two meanings attached to that. The first is a ship with about the ship killing power of a Sovremennyy. I think most PLAN ships, even before the Sovremennyy were acquired, had plenty of ship killing power.

The second meaning, and is likely the very reason why the PLAN bought the ship, is they are looking for a ship that has good radar performance and aerial defense capability over what the PLAN had at that time, the best of which is based on the HQ-7. The HQ-7 is practically the same kind of performance you get from an HQ-10 launcher nowadays, with ranges up to 15km. The Shtil air defense systems on board the Sovremenny expands the air defense envelope to 50km.

So they bought two ships, liked those two ships enough, they bought another two. Delays with the last two, meant that by the time they were delivered, the PLAN already had Type 052Cs then, so duh, the last two ships were obsolete by delivery.

Because the PLAN were sensing that the Russians were dragging their feet, the PLAN ordered the missile and radar systems separately in two sets, to build themselves their own "Sovs" using the Type 052 as the basis, with the turbines ordered from the Ukraine. That became the Type 052B. Buying radar and missile systems not enough, China also proceeded to copy and improve those systems. The Type 054A is the culmination of those efforts, each is like a Type 052B, except they got VLS but half of the antiship missiles.

So the Chinese Sovremennyy getting the Type 054A systems, there is a poetic irony to that.

In need for more stop gap systems, the PLAN also bought two RIF-M systems from Russia, which are naval S-300 systems. These were integrated into the Type 051C, which is a Type 051B with RIF-M. These ships also have the radar systems used in the Sovremennyy.

In detail, the Sovremennyy had the Top Plate radar that is on top of the mast. This not only equipped the four Sovs, but the two 052B and 051C. The Chinese copied that into the Type 382 radar used on the Type 054A. The Sov also has the Bandstand radar used for antiship fire control. This is the dome on top of the bridge. Bandstand is used on the four Sovs, the two Type 052B and the two 051D. It was copied into the Type 366 radar, which equips an even wider range of ships, as every Type 054A, Type 052C and 052D has one. Only the Type 056, the Type 055 and Type 051B doesn't have this.

 

[Tam]

The Top Plate radar, aka Fregat, and the Bandstand radar aka Mineral radar, are important for the PLAN because at that time, towards the mid to the end 1990s, these radars were far superior to what the PLAN had. Hence these were also a focus of the Project 956 Sovremennyy acquisitions, aside from the Shtil and Moskit missile technologies. Shtil would later became the basis for HQ-16.

 

[Hyperwarp]

any type of ship capable to launch a missile comparable to moskit

Within the PLAN? Currently only the 051B with YJ-12 (Well they are believed to be YJ-12). Soveremenny 136 will also be capable once it is ready. I suppose 052B could be modified to carry up to 8x YJ-12, but I am not sure whether it is worth it. YJ-83 is a pretty decent missile.

 

[Jura The idiot]

I checked the last five pages, didn't see this:

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[Tam]

I already posted that. See Post #553.

 

[Jura The idiot]

I already posted that. See Post #553.

LOL sorry

 

[DaTang cavalry]

I'm just wondering why the PLAN Sovremenny distoryers have never escorted in the Gulf of Aden.
They just always stay in coast of East china sea.

 

[antiterror13]

I'm just wondering why the PLAN Sovremenny distoryers have never escorted in the Gulf of Aden.
They just always stay in coast of East china sea.

I read a while ago .... the reason was the Russian propulsion engines (steam turbines) were not reliable to go that far. So only around the coast of China