joshuatree
Captain
Do the YJ-18s have similar performance to the Moskits? If all the Russian armament were replaced with Chinese ones, it would simplify logistics. Trying to picture box launchers in place of the round tubular ones.
PLAN Sovremenny DDG 136, 137, 138 & 139 Thread
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Do the YJ-18s have similar performance to the Moskits? If all the Russian armament were replaced with Chinese ones, it would simplify logistics. Trying to picture box launchers in place of the round tubular ones.
antiterror13
Brigadier
I believe YJ-18 is significantly better than modernized Moskit installed on 138 and 139
I am not sure whether PLAN would replace Moskit as PLAN is believed has ~500 Moskits in their inventory ... quite a lot!, also YJ-18 is not cheap!!!
I am not sure whether PLAN would replace Moskit as PLAN is believed has ~500 Moskits in their inventory ... quite a lot!, also YJ-18 is not cheap!!!
plawolf
Lieutenant General
I think they will keep the Moskits.
They were the primary reason for buying the Sovs, and are all bought and paid for, so if the PLAN replace them, they are effectively scrapping all those missiles, which seems like a terrible waste.
I wonder what the odds are of them doing some modifications to the missiles, as I would imagine they would need to tweak them to become compatible with all the Chinese sensors and other equipment they are putting on the Sovs.
Those missiles were also bought a fair amount to time ago, so may need some sort of life extension upgrade anyways.
So if they change the seeker an other electronics to an updated Chinese version, it should improve performance, extend the life of the missiles, and also remove the one major previous drawback of the Sovs, which was compatibility issues with the rest of the Chinese fleet and other forces.
They were the primary reason for buying the Sovs, and are all bought and paid for, so if the PLAN replace them, they are effectively scrapping all those missiles, which seems like a terrible waste.
I wonder what the odds are of them doing some modifications to the missiles, as I would imagine they would need to tweak them to become compatible with all the Chinese sensors and other equipment they are putting on the Sovs.
Those missiles were also bought a fair amount to time ago, so may need some sort of life extension upgrade anyways.
So if they change the seeker an other electronics to an updated Chinese version, it should improve performance, extend the life of the missiles, and also remove the one major previous drawback of the Sovs, which was compatibility issues with the rest of the Chinese fleet and other forces.
I do not know if the PRC them...but the Moskit also has air launched versions/capability, and land launched versions/capability.
That may account for the numbers.
FarkTypeSoldier
Junior Member
I presume "a-good-weapon-is-a-need-to-have-many" kind of mentality.
A good example is Falklands war; Argentine's armed forces had a very potent ASM in the likes of Exocet missile, supplied by France. When war broke out, France withdrew the supply of a shipment which led to a shortage of Exocet missiles.
So yeah, good to have many LOL
plawolf
Lieutenant General
You also need to remember why and when China bought the Sovs.
That was a move directly in response to the US sailing carriers through the Taiwan Strait as a show force, and amid the generally tense times when the pro-Independence LDP were in power in Taiwan.
That was something Beijing was determined to never allow to happen again (obviously excluding real innocent passage). It was decided that if the US ever sailed carriers that close to the mainland again, it would be the carriers that are the ones in danger, not the Chinese mainland.
Given the general high tensions at the time, China was making those purchase decisions with the backdrop of a real possibility of having to fight a hot war on a massive scale against the world's only superpower. One does not cut corners with that sort of threat hanging over them.
That was a move directly in response to the US sailing carriers through the Taiwan Strait as a show force, and amid the generally tense times when the pro-Independence LDP were in power in Taiwan.
That was something Beijing was determined to never allow to happen again (obviously excluding real innocent passage). It was decided that if the US ever sailed carriers that close to the mainland again, it would be the carriers that are the ones in danger, not the Chinese mainland.
Given the general high tensions at the time, China was making those purchase decisions with the backdrop of a real possibility of having to fight a hot war on a massive scale against the world's only superpower. One does not cut corners with that sort of threat hanging over them.
As far as I know surely not since the air-launched Moskit (Kh-41) usually shown with the Su-33 was only a mock up.
Deino
antiterror13
Brigadier
Very good analysis. And it happened in 1995 when the PLAN was very backward. PLAN now is very much different, extremely stronger than it was in 1995, 20 years ago.
Not sure whether the US Navy decision to sail Nimitz and Independence was a good move?, it seems to me it just convinced PLAN to accelerate their force even more ... and you can see PLAN now receiving the most of the defense budget
China felt humiliated by the US Navy action in 1995
I don't think US Navy would dare to repeat similar action now
I would say that back in 1995 no one would have thought that something like 911 can happen, that the US would be involved in two drawn out wars, and that the 2008 financial crisis would happen, and the ISIS issue and what not. So it's best to plan with a bit of leeway, and to take nothing for granted.