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vesicles

Colonel
Days after the PCA ruling, I saw a Chinese journalist arguing with some US officials on a US news network channel. I forget the name of the guy but he speaks perfect English and presented his argument in a calm and logical manner. I think this was a huge positive step toward changing image of China in the west.

Keep complaining about mistreatment will only annoy people and make things worse. What China is now doing is putting its own fate in the hands of others. They should stop doing that. What China should do is that, instead of allowing a one-sided reporting in the west, more professional Chinese journalists and Chinese officials should get on the air on western news networks. Openly ask for invitations to get on the air with US officials. Get on CNN or Fox. I'm sure these networks will jump on such opportunities. A debate between Chinese and US officials on important geopolitical matters will attract audience. Present their cases and their side of the story using their own words. Make it clear to the audience how ridiculous some of the western analysts' arguments are. Let the audience judge for themselves. It would be even better if they can find someone with charisma and make the audience fall in love him/her. China is a huge nation with so many talented people. It would not be difficult to find people like that...

Don't be afraid to lose a few debates. I think sometimes the Chinese are so worried about saving faces, they lose the big picture. Getting your side of story out! that is the key. You may have lost an argument, but the audience now understand how Chinese think. And they now know there is another side of the story. The western audience will begin to appreciate that things may be a lot more complex than their media initially makes out to be. And from that point on, the western audience will themselves demand to know both sides of a story because they will no longer be satisfied with the one-sided reporting. then the media will have to change.

Once you start something positive, a positive cycle will begin.

It is always my philosophy that you need to take the matter into your own hands when it comes to things that matter. Don't expect others to do it for you and don't ever expect others to be considerate of your feelings. No one is obligated to be nice to you. If you want people to be nice to you, you need to give them a reason.
 
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solarz

Brigadier
Days after the PCA ruling, I saw a Chinese journalist arguing with some US officials on a US news network channel. I forget the name of the guy but he speaks perfect English and presented his argument in a calm and logical manner. I think this was a huge positive step toward changing image of China in the west.

Keep complaining about mistreatment will only annoy people and make things worse. What China is now doing is putting its own fate in the hands of others. They should stop doing that. What China should do is that, instead of allowing a one-sided reporting in the west, more professional Chinese journalists and Chinese officials should get on the air on western news networks. Openly ask for invitations to get on the air with US officials. Get on CNN or Fox. I'm sure these networks will jump on such opportunities. A debate between Chinese and US officials on important geopolitical matters will attract audience. Present their cases and their side of the story using their own words. Make it clear to the audience how ridiculous some of the western analysts' arguments are. Let the audience judge for themselves. It would be even better if they can find someone with charisma and make the audience fall in love him/her. China is a huge nation with so many talented people. It would not be difficult to find people like that...

Don't be afraid to lose a few debates. I think sometimes the Chinese are so worried about saving faces, they lose the big picture. Getting your side of story out! that is the key. You may have lost an argument, but the audience now understand how Chinese think. And they now know there is another side of the story. The western audience will begin to appreciate that things may be a lot more complex than their media initially makes out to be. And from that point on, the western audience will themselves demand to know both sides of a story because they will no longer be satisfied with the one-sided reporting. then the media will have to change.

Once you start something positive, a positive cycle will begin.

It is always my philosophy that you need to take the matter into your own hands when it comes to things that matter. Don't expect others to do it for you and don't ever expect others to be considerate of your feelings. No one is obligated to be nice to you. If you want people to be nice to you, you need to give them a reason.
I agree that China needs to get its own message out.

Unfortunately, I don't think it is currently going about it the right way. I'm not sure renting ads in Times Square is very useful.

The American audience is suspicious of all messages that come from China, so instead of repeating platitudes like "peaceful rise" and trying to present China in the best light, China should be appealing to self-interest.

Keep the message simple, and keep repeating it. For example, hammer on the fact that Freedom of Navigation in the SCS is more vital to China than it is to the US. Talk about how much money US presence in the region is costing US taxpayers. Ask about what benefit the US public receives from US operations in the region.
 

texx1

Junior Member
Keep complaining about mistreatment will only annoy people and make things worse. What China is now doing is putting its own fate in the hands of others. They should stop doing that. What China should do is that, instead of allowing a one-sided reporting in the west, more professional Chinese journalists and Chinese officials should get on the air on western news networks. Openly ask for invitations to get on the air with US officials. Get on CNN or Fox. I'm sure these networks will jump on such opportunities. A debate between Chinese and US officials on important geopolitical matters will attract audience. Present their cases and their side of the story using their own words. Make it clear to the audience how ridiculous some of the western analysts' arguments are. Let the audience judge for themselves. It would be even better if they can find someone with charisma and make the audience fall in love him/her. China is a huge nation with so many talented people. It would not be difficult to find people like that...

Don't be afraid to lose a few debates. I think sometimes the Chinese are so worried about saving faces, they lose the big picture. Getting your side of story out! that is the key. You may have lost an argument, but the audience now understand how Chinese think. And they now know there is another side of the story. The western audience will begin to appreciate that things may be a lot more complex than their media initially makes out to be. And from that point on, the western audience will themselves demand to know both sides of a story because they will no longer be satisfied with the one-sided reporting. then the media will have to change.

Once you start something positive, a positive cycle will begin.

It is always my philosophy that you need to take the matter into your own hands when it comes to things that matter. Don't expect others to do it for you and don't ever expect others to be considerate of your feelings. No one is obligated to be nice to you. If you want people to be nice to you, you need to give them a reason.
Great sentiment. However I doubt it would be that simple in reality. I am sure there are many who can offer great insights about Chinese perspective on American network TV. Hell, even some of our SDF members are quite capable of mopping the floor with so called "analysts" on CNN & Fox.;) Getting invites would be the hard part. Most networks don't enjoy their narrative and talking points being challenged, much less on air. There is a very small chance they would invite someone back that has embarrassed them in front of their audiences. Just ask Dr. Drew Pinsky after he commented on Hillary's health issue. His show on HLN, a sister channel of CNN was cancelled and CNN demanded an apology .
 

vesicles

Colonel
I agree that China needs to get its own message out.

Unfortunately, I don't think it is currently going about it the right way. I'm not sure renting ads in Times Square is very useful.

The American audience is suspicious of all messages that come from China, so instead of repeating platitudes like "peaceful rise" and trying to present China in the best light, China should be appealing to self-interest.

Keep the message simple, and keep repeating it. For example, hammer on the fact that Freedom of Navigation in the SCS is more vital to China than it is to the US. Talk about how much money US presence in the region is costing US taxpayers. Ask about what benefit the US public receives from US operations in the region.
Great sentiment. However I doubt it would be that simple in reality. I am sure there are many who can offer great insights about Chinese perspective on American network TV. Hell, even some of our SDF members are quite capable of mopping the floor with so called "analysts" on CNN & Fox.;) Getting invites would be the hard part. Most networks don't enjoy their narrative and talking points being challenged, much less on air. There is a very small chance they would invite someone back that has embarrassed them in front of their audiences. Just ask Dr. Drew Pinsky after he commented on Hillary's health issue. His show on HLN, a sister channel of CNN was cancelled and CNN demanded an apology .
I agree that it won't be easy. As I said before, it might take decades to centuries. But you have to start somewhere.

What China is now doing is equivalent to Trump waiting for Clinton to say nice things about him and complaining when she doesn't. What do you expect Clinton would do? Do you ever expect Clinton would compliment Trump on his policies? Both sides need to get their own messages across.

Addition to debates, invitations to interviews on major networks would also be a good start. Expect having to answer hard questions. But at the same time, you will get your side of the story out.
 

Jeff Head

General
Staff member
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Guys, this thread is about SCS bases. Not about military strategy (we have a different thread for that), not about politics, and not about assertions of racism and negative press.

We try and stay away from that type of thing here on SD because it is very emotionally charged and usually based on individual experiences and attitudes and opinions.

I know A LOT OF PEOPLE in the US. I am very conservative and constitutional in my thinking and my politics.

Yes, there is concern about China, but most of that is based on concerns about a one party system, and in particular a Communist System.

While I know it exists cause to some extent it exists everywhere, I have not seen wide spread racism and completely negative stereotypes against Chinese people per sey in my own experience.

There are many very conservative and very dedicated American patriots that I know pesonally who are Chinese, many of them 1st generation others, 2nd generation or earlier.

Anyhow, STOP with the racism and the negative stereotyping.

Any more of that will be deleted.

As I say, it is not what SD is about.

I am deleting some of the more over the top posts from the last cou;ple of days that take such behavior as a given, when, as I said, it most certainly is not.

DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS MODERATION
 
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ahojunk

Senior Member
Some pictures of the lighthouse at Meiji (Mischief) Island, I believe they were taken early this month.

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Top view of the lighthouse at Meiji Island.

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Lighthouse at Meiji Island.

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Lighthouse at Meiji Island.

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Lighthouse at Meiji Island.

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Inside the lighthouse at Meiji Island.

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Inside the lighthouse at Meiji Island.
 

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