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tidalwave

Senior Member
Registered Member
Americans are also don't know very much about China, whereas the Chinese know more about the USA from the media.
That's not true at all. Right Now, US is being neurotic about China. There are so many petty stuffs (most of negative stuffs) happening in China got slapped on the headline news in US media . Mostly for China threat or try to darken the images of China and Chinese in general. It's main goal to have China to associate with negative term such ilk, sick, gross, disgusting, aweful,...etc,
The good old character assasination. It runs deep in history too. exclusion act or not allowing to bring spouse therefore not allow offsprings.
 
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vesicles

Colonel
Yes, I agree that the western media is more hostile towards China than China to the west. I am fully aware of that. And I am not arguing against that view, as I have pointed it out in my first sentence of my last post.

My point has been about what to do about it. Complaining means pointing out the obvious but doing nothing about it, as if pointing it out would make the western media change their opinion voluntarily. Don't you think that they know they have been unfairly hostile towards China, or do you think they are simply ignorant? Do you think pointing it out or educating them will make them change their ways? Of course not. They are doing it intentionally because what they do serves their purposes. What they do sells newspapers and gets more hits on their websites. Unless China does something about it, they will keep doing the same thing.

This is where China should think hard. How to turn things around. How to make it more profitable for the western media to report news about China more fairly.

This is why I argued that we needed to identify the motivation behind the whole thing. If it is prejudice against China, a new strategy has to be formed to tackle that. How to change the perception of China in the eyes of the west, of ordinary westerners? That's why I said China should think about rebranding itself. Whose fault is it when the west knows so little of China and the Chinese people? Do you think the westerners should beg the Chinese to teach them more about China? Or do you think the Chinese should take the initiative on this?

Of course, racism is involved. Again, what to do about it. Do you think those westerners with racist opinions would voluntarily give up their superiority view of the world, or do you think China should make them?

Once China strikes a positive image in the eyes of westerners, it then becomes more profitable for the western media to report Chinese news in a more fair manner. And this is not 1980's and 90's when a country's own media dominated the country. So China should not wait for the western media to decide to change itself. China now has the full capability to influence opinions of people all around the world. The question is how to do it.

If the west simply hates China with a passion and won't sit down until the entire Chinese civilization is wiped out, then a different strategy will be needed. Of course I don't think we have to come to that.
 

AndrewS

Captain
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@tidalwave

Yes, the US is being neurotic about China and they're generally only reporting the negative stuff.

So Americans are being told what they want to hear by the media - which is generally not an accurate reflection of the overall situation. Hence my comment that Americans don't actually know very much about China overall.
 

AndrewS

Captain
Registered Member
And I wouldn't say that the West hates China.

But it does take time for attitudes to change, and for China to build its own international structures or integrate into them.
 
It don't matter what China does, the haters will continue to find any spin or way to further the stereotype. I do not have faith on the Western media or those who controls the narrative to do anything good, heck why do you think we are having a racial problem and Islam phobia? This has to do with a certain prejudice narrative that's been going on for decades. The ONLY way to change that prejudice narrative is to CHALLENGE it and the Chinese CPC is the best weapon so far to do that (whether one accepts that or not), hopefully more will join in. NO this is not a battle against Western values but rather a battle for a more objective view points instead of the usual dumbing down news and narrative that's been shoving down our throats.
I am not sure what you mean by "the Chinese CPC being the best weapon so far (whether one accepts that or not)" to challenge the prejudiced anti-China narrative. Other than that everything else you said is valid.

Do you mean talking about the upsides as much as the downsides of China's development? China's system? China's behavior? China's direction? All of the above for other countries? Comparing all of the above among China and other countries? Spreading the word on all of the above?

I think talking more on all of the above in comparative terms across both place and time will naturally reveal biases and prejudices, of course the talk will need to have objective intent despite the natural presence of perspective.
 
I think you are responding to points in one of my earlier posts rather than Vesicles'.
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/pl...ot-a-strategy-page.t4059/page-271#post-414037

@vesicles

I wouldn't agree on China and America/Europe having the same degree of misunderstanding towards each other.

In general, the Chinese have a positive view of American people, society, wealth, tech etc. The opposite does not hold true.

Americans are also don't know very much about China, whereas the Chinese know more about the USA from the media.

Plus nothing like Fox News (the right wing mainstream) exists in China with its crazy conspiracy stories and anti-foreign/racial content. Media in China is just more more controlled and monitored.

So these are the key reasons why American media displays a lot more bias than the Chinese media
Misunderstanding can lead to positive or negative views, same as understanding.

Obviously we disagree on whether China and America/Europe have a similar degree of misunderstanding towards each other and what the effect of more controlling and monitoring have on media biases so we can leave it at that.

@tidalwave

Yes, the US is being neurotic about China and they're generally only reporting the negative stuff.

So Americans are being told what they want to hear by the media - which is generally not an accurate reflection of the overall situation. Hence my comment that Americans don't actually know very much about China overall.
I would say Americans are being told what the media thinks the powers that be in the US want Americans to hear.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Yes, I agree that the western media is more hostile towards China than China to the west. I am fully aware of that. And I am not arguing against that view, as I have pointed it out in my first sentence of my last post.

My point has been about what to do about it. Complaining means pointing out the obvious but doing nothing about it, as if pointing it out would make the western media change their opinion voluntarily. Don't you think that they know they have been unfairly hostile towards China, or do you think they are simply ignorant? Do you think pointing it out or educating them will make them change their ways? Of course not. They are doing it intentionally because what they do serves their purposes. What they do sells newspapers and gets more hits on their websites. Unless China does something about it, they will keep doing the same thing.

This is where China should think hard. How to turn things around. How to make it more profitable for the western media to report news about China more fairly.

This is why I argued that we needed to identify the motivation behind the whole thing. If it is prejudice against China, a new strategy has to be formed to tackle that. How to change the perception of China in the eyes of the west, of ordinary westerners? That's why I said China should think about rebranding itself. Whose fault is it when the west knows so little of China and the Chinese people? Do you think the westerners should beg the Chinese to teach them more about China? Or do you think the Chinese should take the initiative on this?

Of course, racism is involved. Again, what to do about it. Do you think those westerners with racist opinions would voluntarily give up their superiority view of the world, or do you think China should make them?

Once China strikes a positive image in the eyes of westerners, it then becomes more profitable for the western media to report Chinese news in a more fair manner. And this is not 1980's and 90's when a country's own media dominated the country. So China should not wait for the western media to decide to change itself. China now has the full capability to influence opinions of people all around the world. The question is how to do it.

If the west simply hates China with a passion and won't sit down until the entire Chinese civilization is wiped out, then a different strategy will be needed. Of course I don't think we have to come to that.
Western media demonizes China for the same reason Fox News demonizes Obama and CNN demonizes Trump.

I don't think there is much anyone can do in the short term. In the long term, geopolitics are always fluid. Just a year ago, China was close to blows with Philippines and buddy with SK. Look at the reversal that happened in just a few months.
 

texx1

Junior Member
My point has been about what to do about it. Complaining means pointing out the obvious but doing nothing about it, as if pointing it out would make the western media change their opinion voluntarily. Don't you think that they know they have been unfairly hostile towards China, or do you think they are simply ignorant? Do you think pointing it out or educating them will make them change their ways? Of course not. They are doing it intentionally because what they do serves their purposes. What they do sells newspapers and gets more hits on their websites. Unless China does something about it, they will keep doing the same thing.

This is where China should think hard. How to turn things around. How to make it more profitable for the western media to report news about China more fairly.

This is why I argued that we needed to identify the motivation behind the whole thing. If it is prejudice against China, a new strategy has to be formed to tackle that. How to change the perception of China in the eyes of the west, of ordinary westerners? That's why I said China should think about rebranding itself. Whose fault is it when the west knows so little of China and the Chinese people? Do you think the westerners should beg the Chinese to teach them more about China? Or do you think the Chinese should take the initiative on this?

Of course, racism is involved. Again, what to do about it. Do you think those westerners with racist opinions would voluntarily give up their superiority view of the world, or do you think China should make them?

Once China strikes a positive image in the eyes of westerners, it then becomes more profitable for the western media to report Chinese news in a more fair manner. And this is not 1980's and 90's when a country's own media dominated the country. So China should not wait for the western media to decide to change itself. China now has the full capability to influence opinions of people all around the world. The question is how to do it.

If the west simply hates China with a passion and won't sit down until the entire Chinese civilization is wiped out, then a different strategy will be needed. Of course I don't think we have to come to that.

When one's view is motivated by racism or other strong ideological reasons, trying to change it is usually a lost cause. The other party has integrated his prejudice into a core part of his personal identity. Any question of it would most likely be considered as an insult. The discussion would be fruitless, never mind changing its view. The old adage, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.


Pointing out biased reporting in western media is useful to reach some with an open-mind and those with a healthy scepticism of any media reporting. From my personal experience, there are many in the west that are more willing to find out truths/facts about China than mindlessly accepting what is reported in the mainstream media. Other than the usual trolls, I would say many SDF members are very well open-minded about China. Hopefully, they too would point out biased reporting to their compatriots down the line. It is easier to listen to an opposing view from a member of one's own community.


In essence, it's not difficult to change negative perception of China when western audiences are willing to listen and when they are willing to find out about China for themselves through traveling. Willingness to keep an open mind is most critical part.


As for making it more profitable for the western media to change its narrative on China, this becomes a trickier question. Acquiring western media outright is a nonstarter because it would never gain the necessary federal foreign investment approval.


Since it is reasonable to argue that media in both China and the west are well integrated into the existing political structure, Chinese media being state controlled, private owners of US media being large contributors to PACs, economical incentives alone would never convince western media to change its narrative when they serve a political purpose. In essence, biased reporting of China is useful in creating an unfavorable view of the west's biggest potential rival in the minds of its own citizens.


Adjusting to China's rise would entail a reduction of certain rights/controls that have taken for granted by the western elites. For them it's much easier to demonize rivals than making painful concessions. This is understandable and nothing new as most establishments want to maintain the status quo.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
I am not sure what you mean by "the Chinese CPC being the best weapon so far (whether one accepts that or not)" to challenge the prejudiced anti-China narrative. Other than that everything else you said is valid.
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Meaning it is the only other major media power to challenge the status quo of the US media hold on a narrative at China or anyone else for that matter.[/
 

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