PLAN Current Vessel Inventory Thread

Iron Man

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It's the 093 variant that can be visually identified by the slight hump behind its sail and a more integrated conning tower.

Not the 095. The first ones were identified via satellite images a few years ago and we've only gotten a few pictures of it taken from the ground. No clear full length picture of the thing though.

this is the clearest picture we have of it so far

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Oh, right. The apparent VLS variant.
 

Hendrik_2000

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The latest congressional report on China economic and security is out. Here is the summary from Brian Wang
Nothing new except some tidbit about Chinese submarine Apparently some ex Los Alamos Chinese researcher is now back in China and they are now designing software to calculate the submarine noise including the hydrodynamic noise. I will posted in the Submarine thread
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China’s Navy in the 2020s will have a lot of modern subs, carriers and sea bases
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anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCMs), submarines, surface ships, aircraft, and supporting C4ISR (command and control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance) systems. China’s naval modernization effort also includes improvements in maintenance and logistics, doctrine, personnel quality, education and training, and exercises.

A congressional research service report reviews the situation. The report uses the term China’s near-seas region to refer to the Yellow Sea, East China Sea, and South China Sea—the waters enclosed by the so-called first island chain. The so-called second island chain encloses both these waters and the Philippine Sea that is situated between the Philippines and Guam.

China’s military (including naval) modernization effort has been underway for more than 25 years. China’s effort kicked into high gear after watching the US crush the Iraq forces in the 1991 Desert Storm war and after a 1996 incident where the US forced China to backdown over Taiwan.

China’s naval modernization effort had been focused on modernization and capability improvement. China has begun to also put some focus on quantity.

Some key areas of naval quantity:

* Ballistic missile submarines Through 2008, China had only one ballistic missile submarine. By 2016, that figure had grown to four.
* Aircraft carriers. Until 2012, China had no aircraft carriers. China’s first carrier entered service in 2012. China is building one or two additional carriers, and observers speculate China may eventually field a total force of four to six carriers.
* Corvettes (i.e., light frigates). Until 2014, China had no corvettes. Since then, China has built corvettes at a rapid rate, and at least 31
had entered service as of early 2017, with some observers projecting an eventual force of more than 60

Anti-Ship Ballistic Missiles (ASBMs) and Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles (ASCMs)

China is fielding an ASBM, referred to as the DF-21D, that is a theater-range ballistic missile equipped with a maneuverable reentry vehicle (MaRV) designed to moving hit ships at sea. A second type of Chinese theater-range ballistic missile, the DF-26, may also have an anti-ship capability.

DF-26 has a reported range of 1,800 miles to 2,500 miles, or more than twice the reported range of the DF-21D. The DF-21D’s warhead apparently uses a combination of radar and optical sensors to find the target and make final guidance updates…. Finally, it uses a high explosive, or a radio frequency or cluster warhead that at a minimum can achieve a mission kill.

China reportedly is developing a hypersonic glide vehicle that, if incorporated into Chinese ASBMs, could make Chinese ASBMs more difficult to intercept.

Submarines

Many scientists from Los Alamos have returned to Chinese universities and research institutes that people have dubbed them the “Los Alamos club”.

A recent breakthrough allowed them to predict the turbulence generated by a submarine more quickly and accurately. The technology will allow China to build quieter submarines and better detect foreign ones.

By 2020, China should have 70-80 modern submarines
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Aircraft Carrier

China’sfirst aircraft carrier entered service in 2012. China’s second aircraft carrier (and its first indigenously built carrier) was launched in April 2017. China may have begun construction on a third aircraft carrier. Observers speculate China may eventually field a force of four to six aircraft carriers.

China’s third and subsequent carriers may use catapults rather than ski ramps, and that at least some of them might be nuclear-powered rather than conventionally powered.

A March 29, 2017, press report states that that China’s third carrier, referred to as the Type 002 design, “has been under construction at the Jiangnan Changxingdao shipyard in Shanghai since March 2015. It is expected to be launched [i.e, put into the water for the final stages of construction] in about 2021. It is reported to be much bigger and likely nuclear powered.

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China reportedly is building or preparing to build one or more large floating sea bases. The bases are referred to in press reports as very large floating structures (VLFSs). They are broadly similar in appearance to a concept known as the Mobile Offshore Base (MOB) that U.S. defense planners considered at one point years ago. VLFSs could be used for supporting operations by aircraft and surface ships and craft.

Two Chinese companies are to build 3.2 kilometer [2-mile] long platforms that could host airstrips, docks, helipads, barracks, or even “comprehensive security bases”.

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Iron Man

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With the PLAN rushing out more than 4 055s at the same time and continuing production of 056, 054A, and 052D classes, and the USN trying hard to ramp up to a 355-ship navy e.g.:
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or even considering reactivating old Perrys:
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Makes me wonder if both militaries know something that we don't....
 

FORBIN

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With the PLAN rushing out more than 4 055s at the same time and continuing production of 056, 054A, and 052D classes, and the USN trying hard to ramp up to a 355-ship navy e.g.:
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or even considering reactivating old Perrys:
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Makes me wonder if both militaries know something that we don't....
It is more because sequestration than USN in fact actually 308 ships Navy with 285 in service yet improvements with new Burke 2 - 3 by year, Zumwalt, 2 Virginia one is late so 3 next year same for Burke and 4 LCS in more the Ford remains learly N° 1.
But 3 years ago was announced 5 Ticonderoga retired so 79 MSC and now 87... going for sure
for 94 end 2019 all with 100+ missiles except 3.
The more silencious submarines and 830 fighters remains more than decent !

People here see mainly for China enough normal but US shipyards are full.
 
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With the PLAN rushing out more than 4 055s at the same time and continuing production of 056, 054A, and 052D classes, and the USN trying hard to ramp up to a 355-ship navy e.g.:
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or even considering reactivating old Perrys:
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Makes me wonder if both militaries know something that we don't....
what I see is the USN trying to fill up the numbers with LCS thrash:
Jul 10, 2017
Jul 1, 2017

... details emerging:

"On May 23, the U.S. Navy rolled out its 2018 budget request that included one littoral combat ship, or LCS. The logic was that since Congress had given the Navy three in fiscal year 2017, an additional one would keep both builders — Wisconsin-based Marinette Marine and Alabama-based Austal USA — afloat.

But inside the White House, alarm bells went off in some sectors. Peter Navarro, the head of U.S. President Donald Trump’s trade and industrial policy office, was looking at information indicating one ship could trigger layoffs at both shipyards. Those concerns were shared by senior Trump aides Rick Dearborn and Stephen Miller — both old hands of long-time Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions — and together they lobbied and prevailed upon Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney to add a second ship to the request."

Life support: The Navy's struggle to define a LCS bare minimum
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goes on below due to size limit
 

Iron Man

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I think reactivating Perrys is actually one step even lower than filling the ranks with LCS. It's also comical that the USN is willing to accept two totally different designs for the LCS and is now faced with having to keep skilled jobs afloat for both LCS classes.
 

FORBIN

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I think reactivating Perrys is actually one step even lower than filling the ranks with LCS. It's also comical that the USN is willing to accept two totally different designs for the LCS and is now faced with having to keep skilled jobs afloat for both LCS classes.
Exact but OT here i think better to keep out US, USN topics in more i see the usual phrases come back with only partial data 1 Burke is also possible...
 

Iron Man

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It is more because sequestration than USN in fact actually 308 ships Navy with 285 in service yet improvements with new Burke 2 - 3 by year, Zumwalt, 2 Virginia one is late so 3 next year same for Burke and 4 LCS in more the Ford remains learly N° 1.
But 3 years ago was announced 5 Ticonderoga retired so 79 MSC and now 87... going for sure
for 94 end 2019 all with 100+ missiles except 3.
The more silencious submarines and 830 fighters remains more than decent !

People here see mainly for China enough normal but US shipyards are full.
The US military should have sucked up and accepted sequestration. Instead it along with Wall Street is accelerating America's headlong faceslam into a non-moveable wall in the near future, after which the US will head into its twilight as a second tier country.
 
I think reactivating Perrys is actually one step even lower than filling the ranks with LCS. It's also comical that the USN is willing to accept two totally different designs for the LCS and is now faced with having to keep skilled jobs afloat for both LCS classes.
well the OHPs would've worked in an escort role as the
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did (Mk 41 VLS etc.) Tuesday at 6:36 AM
I'll tell you what's tragicomic: the Australian OHPs were recently part of
‘Upgunned ESG’
(whatever this is, it looks like somebody realized an amphibious force should be escorted, and made a tremendous success story of something what's been known for centuries:
Bonhomme Richard ESG Combines With Australian Frigates For ‘Upgunned ESG’ Rehearsal in Talisman Saber 2017
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...
if the USN had not tried to impress fanbois with revolutionary transformational Star Trek looking game changers
what's left is PORK
 
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