PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

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A Nimitz class carrier can cayyr 56 aircrafts..wow!

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Actually more like 60-70 as it stands now.

Some USN CVW's are deploying without S-3B Vikings. they have been retired and replaced with more SH-60 variants.

Typical CVW make up 2005

48 F-18's variants
4 EA-6B's
4 E-2C's
10-12 SH-60 variants
2 C-2A Cargo planes

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MIGleader said:

an la can counter a sub, but not its torpedo. if the kilo got a first few shots at the cvbg, there is going to be losses. then the kilo needs to get its butt out of there or else...

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There are counter measures used to decoy the torpedo. At the speeds the CSG operates, its very unlikely that a SSK can get within firing position.

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TJJH said:

I think its more that AEGIS can not counter the Skyval thats the problem. No more AEGIS means the rest of the battle group is in trouble.

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Tico and Burkes are very excellent ASW platforms.
The Burke is equipped with hull mounted sonar, towed array sonar, LAMPS III helo with dipping sonar to detect a sub.

The LAMPS III can carry Mk 50 torpedo (I could be wrong) and the MK 41 VLS can be equipped with the next generation ASROC with a range of around 10 miles.

Re: AWACS for future chinese carrier

MIGleader said:

maybe the propellors can work like rotors and the plan will be able to take off vertically.

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You are talking about the V-22 OPSREY. I think the US marines are putting it to service next year.

Re: AWACS for future chinese carrier

Sczepan said:

that aircraft can't be launched from a ski raneed , it needs catapult for carrier take off - so it could only be used, if carriers with ski rump (like the Varjag) additional have catapults in front of the angeld deck

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I said it once, I will say it again--there is another option to catapult assisted launches for an aircraft of this type--rocket assisted take off. Easy to implement, a no brainer really.

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That's off the ground. Show me a pic of a C-130 takiong off from a carrier.

While a STOL aircraft might take off from a carrier, in order to carry out its mission, particularly AWACS, it would need considerable weight for the equipment and the radar.

I believe a VTOL aircraft like an Osprey, or a helo will be the answer short of the PLAN developing a full catapault system for something like their own version of the Hawkeye.

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

MIGleader said:

the varyag is messed up in the last pic. the island is on the wrong side.

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That's why I said it wa a depiction...meaning its not real, just an idea of what it might look like.

That image is simply a mirrored one of one going the other way so I could fit it in there and give it some idea of how it might look.

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That's off the ground. Show me a pic of a C-130 takiong off from a carri

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Jeff, in 1963 the USN expermited with launching and recovering a C-130 The USS Forrestal CVA-59. It was "deck launched"

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

PLABUDDY said:

A Nimitz class carrier can cayyr 56 aircrafts..wow!

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Actually, if they wanted to max it out like they were doing during the cold war, a Nimitz can easily carry well in excess of 80 aircraft. The old cold-war load out was:

24 F-14 Air superiority
24 A-7 ground/surface attack
12 A6E All weather, heavy ground/surface attack
6 KA6D Tankers
4 E2C AWACS
4 EA6B EW
10 S3A ASW
6 SH-3G ASW

That's a total of ninety (90) aircraft.

Because of cost cuts and the end of the cold war, the current composition is less, ranging down to between 56 and 68 or so. But that number could be rapidly increased in the event of any kind of crisis or pressing need.

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GREAT pics! Thanks popeye.

That's one of the great things about the internet...a wealth of knowledge available in an instant.

Clearly, the C-130 tests back then resulted in it not being considered for operational duty from the CV or CVN. Perhaps in an emergency or very special circumstances...but to normally carry such an aircraft in an operational mode would extremely limit other operations.

I still believe that the Varyag AWAC will most likley be helo at first, perhaps followed later by a VTOL developoment.

Until they have a full deck carrier, with cats, I do not believe they will field anything on a carrier like the Hawkeye.

Of course...this is just my opinion.