PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

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lets see, kutznev does hold su-33's. its the only carrier that operates them.
the mig-29 has made some export sucesses, but its not so popular a buy now.
russia has supplied some to venezyuela, given some to cuba, and then there are the ones to be used on the indian gorkie. they also just made the new tvc fulcrum.

people have suggested using the j-10 twin engine, but i think it will take to long. jh-7a? no way. way to weak. su-30? just get the su-33kub.

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Gollevainen. Is that the present air wing of the Kuznetsov? I thought they had Mig-29's? I'm confused. I better check that out.

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Su-33 is the one selected for the carrier due Sukhois better political situation...Both MiG-29K and Su-33 where tested onboard kuznetsov in the late 80's and the orginal airgroub would have cosinsted both planes...

This is one of the best internet site on soviet carriers...

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Gollevainan, Thanks for posting that page on Russian CV's. Great pictures. I've been looking for something like that.

Thanks again!

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wonderful site, althoguh i dont know why it calls the varyag and kutznev orels.

this is the path the plan should stich too. it would be easier, cheaper, and faster to refit varyag and put su-33's on board, rather than build you own carrier. the only exeption i would make is to fit an indegedous/ukrainian phased arrray radar on the vessel, and remove most of the ashm to make room for mor sukois.

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Orel is a class of soviet naval aviation cruisers, intended to have 4 to the class. Of course we all know what happened there. The next gen nuclear soviet air craft carrier WAS laid down, but the design never finalized and the hull scrapped.

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thats my point. the orels were suppoesed to be the dream carriers to hold 50+ planes. the kutznev and varyag are kutznev class.

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no no no, Orel IS project 1143.5. The actually nomenclature of the next gen nuclear AC is unknown, at least to me. Kuznetsov is just a name laymen assigned to Orel because Kuznestov, or whatever you want to call it, was the first ship of the class.

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MIGleader said:

thats my point. the orels were suppoesed to be the dream carriers to hold 50+ planes. the kutznev and varyag are kutznev class.

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I think you are talking about the cancelled Ulyanovsk Class. It's suppose to displaced 70,000 tons with steam catapults, USSR's 1st true carrier.

It was scrap at 60 percent completion because USSR fell apart.

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china has radars that can see a ship ans shoot it with asm without a helo

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So does every country. However China doesn't have a radar which can target or "see" a ship at long ranges. Like all surface radars, the radar is blind to surface targets once it hits the horizon. This is exactly why a naval AWACs and Helo's are critical for navies. There's no point in having a 100 Km or 200 KM ASM if you cannot launch it from that range.

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not neccascerily. according to sinodefence, the yj-83 and 85 can see fire at a target at over 200 km without a helo. its radar can do that. the u.s has radars like that too, but its missles dont havce the range.