PLAN Carrier Construction


Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
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Jeff Head is a gentleman and a patriot, and I'm proud to call him a fellow American.
As well as a true friend and brother in arms, the true beauty of Sino Defense is Respect and Friendship, true friendship, and the Honor that comes with associating and engaging in reasoned debate, with those who are teachers, as well as students, for a true teacher never tires of learning himself, looking at bd and Deino for example, just to pick on you two, but these guys are insatiable in their search for truth. To our Chinese friends, for sharing their dreams and desires with the rest of us, I met a very nice sweet Chinese/American lady at the mall Saturday and wished her a Happy New Year, she is also a resident of Central Obamastan, she was promoting an acting/performance companies visit to Springfield on April 8, which I would love to attend, my wife and her sister are interested as well, anyway, this lady stated that she loves America which made me feel great, to feel like this lady still loves her native country, but loves ours as well, and wants to share her culture with us was a tremendous feeling of friendship and an honor. brat

I owe so much to you brothers for sharing with us all. And Jeff, don't take it to heart brother, I know these things hurt you, because you do care so much, and never intend to hurt or offend, your love and concern for each of us is always in evidence.
 

xiabonan

Junior Member
Not every forum is like SDF.

There's also tonnes of people on Chinese forums advocating for war, and surprisingly they have the same "vision" as those Indians: To wage war with Japan, Vietnam, South Korea, The Philipines, Taiwan, or India.

It is not uncommon to find these kind of people in the US as well. Even the kids can say "kill them all so that we don't have to pay back the debt".

Those comments on News outlets, regardless of nationality and language, are just even more outright stupid.

Through these years of reading on the Internet I have pessimistically came to the conclusion most people on the Internet are hopelessly nationalistic, egocentric, stupid and ignorant. And the sad part is, this seems to be true despite of where people come from and what language they speak, or how developed their countries are.
 

xiabonan

Junior Member
As well as a true friend and brother in arms, the true beauty of Sino Defense is Respect and Friendship, true friendship, and the Honor that comes with associating and engaging in reasoned debate, with those who are teachers, as well as students, for a true teacher never tires of learning himself, looking at bd and Deino for example, just to pick on you two, but these guys are insatiable in their search for truth. To our Chinese friends, for sharing their dreams and desires with the rest of us, I met a very nice sweet Chinese/American lady at the mall Saturday and wished her a Happy New Year, she is also a resident of Central Obamastan, she was promoting an acting/performance companies visit to Springfield on April 8, which I would love to attend, my wife and her sister are interested as well, anyway, this lady stated that she loves America which made me feel great, to feel like this lady still loves her native country, but loves ours as well, and wants to share her culture with us was a tremendous feeling of friendship and an honor. brat

I owe so much to you brothers for sharing with us all. And Jeff, don't take it to heart brother, I know these things hurt you, because you do care so much, and never intend to hurt or offend, your love and concern for each of us is always in evidence.
This is such a great forum and I'm very to be part of it.
 
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shen

Senior Member
well, I'm caught up in the spirit as well.

Long Live SDF! Down with imbecile warmongers!

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Jeff Head

General
Staff member
Super Moderator
If those persons over there at BRW really knew Jeff Head they would not be calling him a racist...unbelievable.
Thank you popeye, and all who have posted.

I am currently in the process of registering over there...if they will let me, specifically so I can repond to the acidic comments by the one poster.

This is what I intend to post if they accept my registration.

Jeff Head said:
Jaeger, you seem to have no problem talking about a person when they are not there to defend themselves or to at least give a balanced response to some rather unbalanced statements. So, having been informed of your rash comments, I thought I would register here and address that issue.

Do we know each other, Jaeger? You see, I have always posted online with my actual name. I have never chosen to use a psuedo name, so I do not know who you are. But from what I can tell, we have never met, and neither you, nor I have any personal experience with one another. So how, pray tell, can you make such personal attacks and comments about me? It seems to be pure ad hominem, and nothing more, and it seems to all be about issues you have with a fictional novel I wrote.

You ask Raj.Devan to not reduce the discussion here to "Jeff Head," levels? Just what level is that? We have never had a discussion. I have never posted here (until this very post) and so never had a discussion here with you or anyone else. Yet, without so much as knowing me, you immediately reduce the discussion here to an ad hominem attack level yourself.

I will say this, poster Raj.Devan did post a small review of my book in the Military Scenario Thread here on BR and at least he was open-minded enough, had enough integrity, and used some critical thinking skills to be able to see that the book was written from several perspectives, some he agreed with and some he did not. And he was able to articulate that in his review. For that, I commend him for his rational and reasoned thinking, and for his integrity.

You, on the other hand, appear to have great difficulty in seeing anything past your own ideological disagreement with a fictional novel, and so you choose to attack, not only the novel, but also to extend it to me personally, making all sorts of assumptions and pronouncements about me which have absolutely no basis in fact.

The wording in you post is acidic, and unbecoming. I am really sorry that you would leave such an impression of yourself.

As to your claims, I will answer them, on these topics you attempted to attack me over, most of which were spelled out in the novel with opposing views equally represented therein, as Raj.Devan pointed out in his review.

1) I am not anti-immigration in the least. My father's family came to America in the 1600s from England and France. My mother's parents came from Austria and the Slovak region of Europe in the late 1800s. I am a child of immigrants on my mother's side, and of many generations removed on my father's and have nothing but pride in that background. I am however opposed to illegal immigration. It is, quite simply, a violation of the law, and should not be allowed. Either the law should be changed through normal constitutional means, or the law should be enforced. That is NOT anti-immigration in the least.

2) I am against the abortion of unborn children. They are humans in the womb, they can be nothing else. A tragic Supreme Court decision here in the U.S. was made in the 1970s that has led to the slaughter of tens of millions of innocent babies. Thankfully, after many years of hard work, the perception is swinging to the obvious conclusion that life should be protected in the womb, and I pray in a few years that we once again, as a nation, respect and defend a baby's right to life...while providing ample means for adoption for the child if the mother does not want it once she is pregrnant, or solid education so she does not become preganat in the first place...and that first and foremost by living a chaste and moral life and avoiding the out of wedlock acts that cause pregnancy. But that is just my opinion...and it is decidedly not a radical one.

3) Your playing the "race" card is so typical of people who simply want to silence others with whom they do not agree. I have worked in the US market place for 37 years, in the defense industry, the power industry and elsewhere. I challenge you to find anyone, white, black, brown, red, yellow...you pick the race or color...who knows me personally and who would ever say that I have an ounce of bigotry in me. You will not find such a person, because I do not. I have hired numerous people of all races and colors to very critical and responsible positions and I did so without for an instant caring about the color of their skin or their race. I cared about three things. a) Were they competent enough to do the job? b) Did they have a strong work ethic?, and c) Were they honest and trustworthy and have a commitment to a strong moral value system so the could be trusted with the responsibilities they were being given? Color/race was not a consideration then...and is not one for me to this day. As to the book, if I am such a racist or bigot as you claim, then why did those two black boys from Chicago figure so prominently into my books? Why did one of them, Alan Campbell, win the US Congressional Medal of Honor for conduct beyond the call of duty in a fight at Diego Garcia...which I might add the US lost to India at the time? Why did Bhupendra Gavankar become such a hero for India when all was said and done? The reason is because there was no bigotry or racismin in the book either, and there is none in me. Shame on you for making such crass and gross misrepresentations about someone you do not even know.

4) The second amendment to the US Constitution plainly states that American citizens have the right to keep and bear arms. In the fictional novel you take issue with, Americans are attacked by terrorists on their own soil in large numbers, in many places, from Malls, to Forests, to City and National Parks, to Rivers and Streams, etc. Some of those American citizens defend themselves with their own firearms. Some of them band together and are recognized by their local Sheriff's departments who, in the crisis, are overwhelmed themselves, and deputize those people (which they are legally empowered to do) to help protect local and regional infrastructure and towns. Nothing wild-eyed or radical about that.

Anyhow, you get the point. Understand, this is not an effort to have some kind of debate with you. Quite frankly, because of the nature of your post, I do not believe that would either be possible, nor is it deserving. It is simply to place both sides out here on BR so other posters can make a judgment for themselves.

Finally, my advise to you Jaeger (Hunter), and it is freely and sincerely given, would be to simply try and get to know people personally, at least a little, before you attack them personally. You will probably find that they are not the wild-eyed radicals you make them out to be, and will find that you do not need to attack them at all.

But that is entirely your decision.

Again, I just wanted to present both sides here on BR in an environment where it was not happening.

Tschüss

Jeff Head
Perhaps it will not help, but it never hurts to try.

IMHO, unless you absolutely have no choice and the life, limb, and liberty...or that of your loved ones...is in danger, I have found that it is always worth the effort to at least try and return good for bad, persuasion for demand, and reason for insult when dealing with other people.

In my faith, my Savior, Jesus Christ, taught that principle...to love those that hate you, deal well with those who despitefully use you, and treat others as you would like to be treated, and I have taken those teachings to heart.

As it is, again, thanks for the support and the responses. Let's end the off topic about BR there and proceed on with the topic of PLAN Carrier construction here.
 
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Dizasta1

Senior Member
Damn! you be right. I think I lost a few IQ points just being in that forum. Apparently most everyone there is eagerly looking forward to total war and the annihilation of Pakistan and also China under the hands of the US and Japan.
You'd be amazed to see the level of insanity in people out there. It doesn't matter which country you're from, you'd find a few bad apples every where. In the case of bharat rakshak forum, well its the reverse. Where you'd may find a 'few good apples' in there!!

As for the annihilation of Pakistan, that is and has always been the all too familiar indian wet-dhotee (indian version of a sarong) dream. I sincerely hope, that majority of indians do not have the same belief, or else that'd make'em a truly a pathetic nation.

What we really ought to be striving for, is improving our respective economies, eradicating poverty, providing decent education for our children and endeavour to establish a pollution-free environment in our respective countries. Because, if we have even an ounce of humanity in us, then we would be looking to save our future by doing something constructive now, rather than try to annilate some country or be destroyed in the process.
 

Lion

Senior Member
Not every forum is like SDF.

There's also tonnes of people on Chinese forums advocating for war, and surprisingly they have the same "vision" as those Indians: To wage war with Japan, Vietnam, South Korea, The Philipines, Taiwan, or India.

It is not uncommon to find these kind of people in the US as well. Even the kids can say "kill them all so that we don't have to pay back the debt".

Those comments on News outlets, regardless of nationality and language, are just even more outright stupid.

Through these years of reading on the Internet I have pessimistically came to the conclusion most people on the Internet are hopelessly nationalistic, egocentric, stupid and ignorant. And the sad part is, this seems to be true despite of where people come from and what language they speak, or how developed their countries are.
Are you sure those warmonger are really represent the nationality of their countries? I do know some poster imposting to give bad image of another countries by being an idiot.

I will not take those comments online too seriously. I was once in a forum where I encounter a so called Korean who try to paint the impression most Korean hate Chinese to core compare their hatre towards Japanese. Ended up, the poster is in fact a japanese trying to create discord between Korean and Chinese.

Just because some can type or understand Chinese does not automatically means he's a real Chinese online. You will be surprised the number of foreigner understanding the Chinese language online. These applies to other nationalities as well.
 
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Rutim

Banned Idiot
I will not take those comments online too seriously. I was once in a forum where I encounter a so called Korean who try to paint the impression most Korean hate Chinese to core compare their hatre towards Japanese. Ended up, the poster is in fact a japanese trying to create discord between Korean and Chinese.
Haha! Haven't laughed so hard for some time :D
 

Franklin

Captain
Not every forum is like SDF.

There's also tonnes of people on Chinese forums advocating for war, and surprisingly they have the same "vision" as those Indians: To wage war with Japan, Vietnam, South Korea, The Philipines, Taiwan, or India.

It is not uncommon to find these kind of people in the US as well. Even the kids can say "kill them all so that we don't have to pay back the debt".

Those comments on News outlets, regardless of nationality and language, are just even more outright stupid.

Through these years of reading on the Internet I have pessimistically came to the conclusion most people on the Internet are hopelessly nationalistic, egocentric, stupid and ignorant. And the sad part is, this seems to be true despite of where people come from and what language they speak, or how developed their countries are.
SDF is about as civil as you can get on the internet. It comes down to good moderation everyone knows the rules and where the lines are. And the rules are pretty well in forced here. That maybe the problem on other forums.

Now back on topic. I'm not so much waiting for a perhabs 70000 ton Liaoning like aircraft carrier as that in my view maybe too soon for China at the moment. I'm waiting for a 30000 ton LHD project. Type 075 ? Why haven't we heard any news about that ? I think China is capable of building such a ship at this time without much problem. Perhabs when the current batch of FFG's, and DDG's clear the dockyards we start to hear about these flat top projects.
 

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