PLAN building schedule 2021 to 2025


Overbom

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but there must be bottlenecks elsewhere in the production line? Reactors?
It is not only about building them. It is also about having a highly capable and trained crew and officers to man each submarine.

China could produce submarines like sausages but where is the trained crew in huge numbers is going to come from?

There is also the issue of having enough maintenance facilities which must also have a highly-trained workforce.

To conclude, it is important to consider other factors other than "just" quickly building submarines (and other ships wrt PLAN schedule for building ships)
 

Maikeru

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It is not only about building them. It is also about having a capable trained crew and officers to man each submarine.

China could produce submarines like sausages but where is the trained crew in huge bumbers is going to come from?

There is also the issue of having enough maintenance facilities which must also have a highly-trained workforce.

To conclude, it is important to consider other factors other than "just" quickly building submarines (and other ships wrt PLAN schedule for building ships)
Yes and trained crew is probably the biggest bottleneck of all. Thought also needs to be given to end of life recycling and reactor disposal.

All that said, PRC wouldn't be building these enormous facilities without an intention to use them.
 

lcloo

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It is not only about building them. It is also about having a highly capable and trained crew and officers to man each submarine.

China could produce submarines like sausages but where is the trained crew in huge numbers is going to come from?

There is also the issue of having enough maintenance facilities which must also have a highly-trained workforce.

To conclude, it is important to consider other factors other than "just" quickly building submarines (and other ships wrt PLAN schedule for building ships)
There has been a popular thinking for many years on China's lack of trained sailors and maintenance crew and facilities, which I think is amazingly ignorant. Many have written such statements but were unable to backup their claims.

Firstly, on the submarine crew training. How many sailors are needed to crew a submarine? How many submarines do they built in a year? How many submarines are given dedicated training roles only (i.e. not frontline combattant)? How many sailors graduated from the PLAN training academies and training bases, and how many PLA Navy universiities are there?

If you do your information homework, there will surface surprisingly many information on PLA Navy educations and trainings unreported on Western media reading material.

The same goes for maintenance facilities and maintenance crew. Do you know how many naval engineering graduates are produce every year? The total number of all types of engineers and technicians in China is huge..

I can't give details because there wouls\d be pages after pages of writing, and would take up a lot of my time and people reading them, but please go google and baidu on available public materials in English and Chinese.
 
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Maikeru

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There has been a popular thinking for many years on China's lack of trained sailors and maintenance crew and facilities, which I think is amazingly ignorant. Many have written such statements but were unable to backup their claims.

Firstly, on the submarine crew training. How many sailors are needed to crew a submarine? How many submarines do they built in a year? How many submarines are given dedicated training roles only (i.e. not frontline combattant)? How many sailors graduated from the PLAN training academies and training bases, and how many PLA Navy universiities are there?

If you do your information homework, there will surface surprisingly many information on PLA Navy educations and trainings unreported on Western media reading material.

The same goes for maintenance facilities and maintenance crew. Do you know how many naval engineering graduates are produce every year? The total number of all types of engineers and technicians in China is huge..

I can't give details because there wouls\d be pages after pages of writing, and would take up a lot of my time and people reading them, but please go google and baidu on available public materials in English and Chinese.
There's training, which I don't doubt PLAN can do well. And there's experience, which can only be gained through time actually doing.
 

lcloo

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There's training, which I don't doubt PLAN can do well. And there's experience, which can only be gained through time actually doing.
PLAN's latest SSK. i.e. type 039B was first introduce in 2007, that is 14 years ago. They have 17 type 039B SSK as per open source data. I believe their experience gained by past and present submarine crew is plentiful, and their training curriculum would be sufficiently comprehensive to prepare new sailors to man their ship before any submarine is handed-over from ship builders to PLAN.

Also new cadet crews can be trained on an existing type 039B before their posting to a new SSK of the same type or an improved latest variant of the same type.

Also the newly minted submarine would very likely crewed by a mixed of experienced hands and new sailors instead of a all new crew. In fact I would say that new sailors are posted on every ships, new and old, along with the experienced sailors for on the job training, thus the crew of a newly inducted ship differs not much from that of an older ship of the same type. (exception: the lead ship of a new type ship, eg. type 055 and type 075).

Thus the proficiency of the crew for a newly inducted type 039B would not be much different from an earlier type 039B inducted more than 10 years ago. They will only need to get familiarisation on new minor features not present in earlier ships.
 
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