PLAN Anti-ship/surface missiles

Deino

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Not sure if the correct thread?

CX-1AShM

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ougoah

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Some sources claim a CEP of 20m? Probably all parroting one source but that CEP is atrociously bad. Is CX-1 actually purchased by any of China's armed forces? I previously thought it was just a quick and cheap, lower quality copy of Oniks missile aimed to simulate Brahmos speed and size for target practice and for export if anyone is silly enough to be interested in a missile with a CEP of 20m (if that is true at all).
 

taxiya

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Some sources claim a CEP of 20m? Probably all parroting one source but that CEP is atrociously bad. Is CX-1 actually purchased by any of China's armed forces? I previously thought it was just a quick and cheap, lower quality copy of Oniks missile aimed to simulate Brahmos speed and size for target practice and for export if anyone is silly enough to be interested in a missile with a CEP of 20m (if that is true at all).
CEP of 20m is pretty much bullshit by those sources.
  1. Wiki English claims CEP 20m by quoting 4 sources. Two of the sources are not accessible from my part of world (Europe), the other two do not have the word of CEP at all.
  2. Even if we take CEP=20m, what is the use of a missile like this? This is not a cruise missile trying to get a fixed target on the ground where 20m CEP may be acceptable. 20 meters on the sea however means that the missile can easily fly over the target ship while still within its designed "accuracy". Nobody in the world would buy it no matter how desperate they are, neither would Chinese manufacture is that stupid to sell it.
I'd say, those CEP 20m are from the typical China bashing camp with zero honesty.

P.S. does anti-ship missile EVEN use the concept of CEP? I thought it is only used by land attack cruise or ballistic missiles or unguided rockets.
 

Tam

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ASMs have no concept of CEP, or for that matter, any radar homing missile. The missile's mid phase navigational accuracy, whether its by inertial, GPS, data link updates, only needs to put the target within the catch basket of the radar seeker, which can be as big as the radar horizon (height of the missile all the way to the horizon of the earth's curvature and the height of the target). You are looking like 25km to 30km, maybe more depending on the sea skimming missile's altitude and the height of the target. A "sneakier" missile might have a lower altitude and won't activate its radar seeker as late as possible to reduce its chances of being detected or alerting the target ship.
 
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Iron Man

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Every missile, including a radar-guided ASCM, has a CEP, which in the case of the radar-guided ASCM is a combination of the radar seeker's inherent inaccuracy and the missile body's ability (or lack thereof) to respond to the seeker's commands, especially last-second commands as the missile performs its terminal maneuvers while homing in on the target.
 

taxiya

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The question is not whether a missile has CEP (every projectile aiming at a point has it), the question is whether any Navy or professionals use such concept/figure to describe capability of anti-ship missiles.

I am sure if this CX-1 has a land-attack variant offered to the customer some time later, it will be provided with a CEP figure, but for now only anti-ship variant is known to exist (sold to Algeria?)
 
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