PLAN Anti-Piracy Deployments
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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
sending naval fleets to african coast embodies more diplomatic insinuation than military utility. China's interest in africa is a vital segment of China's overall global strategy. so any form of a naval deployment abroad is an empty gesture that really does not aim at fighting priates (cuz you cant actually fight them).
sending naval fleets to african coast embodies more diplomatic insinuation than military utility. China's interest in africa is a vital segment of China's overall global strategy. so any form of a naval deployment abroad is an empty gesture that really does not aim at fighting priates (cuz you cant actually fight them).
Pointblank
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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
Actually, you can, it is just that the public today are too squeamish about people shooting at each other... if we allowed the forces to actively hunt down and kill pirates on the spot, it may make anyone who wants to be involved in piracy a little more hesitant as it raises the risks for them.
Actually, you can, it is just that the public today are too squeamish about people shooting at each other... if we allowed the forces to actively hunt down and kill pirates on the spot, it may make anyone who wants to be involved in piracy a little more hesitant as it raises the risks for them.
Engineer
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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
Have you ever played the game Stronghold? Hours of fun laying pitch all over my town, watching everything and everyone getting incinerated. :roll:
I happen to have the exact same idea.
Have you ever played the game Stronghold? Hours of fun laying pitch all over my town, watching everything and everyone getting incinerated. :roll:
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
I think that the best way to deal with piracy is to take care of the low enforcement on the land, but as we know that is not easy thing to do. The other option is to fight with the pirates at sea, which is more possible and requires less long term involvement than any land operation ( not mentioning casualties). What is important the naval contingent operating far from it's bases is much more expensive and less efficient, than the one operating with it. There should be established temporary base in some nearby country, this will give a possibility of use of smaller vessels like FAC (for example 022). In case of long term operation there should be considered finding some bases if it is not possible it is always an option to use additionally equipped commercial ships, which will have big operational range, huge space for easy adoption and long term autonomy + it looks for pirates as easy target not like a war ship.
I think that the best way to deal with piracy is to take care of the low enforcement on the land, but as we know that is not easy thing to do. The other option is to fight with the pirates at sea, which is more possible and requires less long term involvement than any land operation ( not mentioning casualties). What is important the naval contingent operating far from it's bases is much more expensive and less efficient, than the one operating with it. There should be established temporary base in some nearby country, this will give a possibility of use of smaller vessels like FAC (for example 022). In case of long term operation there should be considered finding some bases if it is not possible it is always an option to use additionally equipped commercial ships, which will have big operational range, huge space for easy adoption and long term autonomy + it looks for pirates as easy target not like a war ship.
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Rising China
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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
China Close to Naval Mission in Gulf of Aden
By MARK McDONALD
Published: December 17, 2008
HONG KONG — In what would be the first active deployment of its warships beyond the Pacific, China appears set to send naval vessels to help in the fight against hijackers in the pirate-infested Gulf of Aden.
A vice foreign minister and a leading naval strategist were quoted in Chinese state media on Wednesday as saying that Beijing is close to mounting a naval mission in the gulf.
“China is seriously considering sending naval ships to the Gulf of Aden and waters off the Somali coast for escorting operations in the near future,” said the Foreign Ministry official, He Yafei, quoted by Xinhua, the official Chinese news agency. His remarks came at a ministerial meeting of the United Nations Security Council.
Li Jie, a military strategist and naval expert, told the state-run China Daily that cooperating with a multinational force operating against East African pirates would be a “very good opportunity” for the Chinese Navy.
“Apart from fighting pirates,” he said, “another key goal is to register the presence of the Chinese Navy.”
The newspaper earlier this month said Maj. Gen. Jin Yinan, a military planner at the National Defense University, had conceived the Gulf of Aden plan. The paper quoted General Jin as saying that “the Chinese Navy should send naval vessels to the Gulf of Aden to carry out anti-piracy duties.”
“If one day the Chinese Navy sends ships to deal with pirates,” he said, “nobody should be shocked.”
Traditionally concerned with coastal defense, the People’s Liberation Army Navy has been undergoing a wide and rapid modernization program, especially in the bolstering of its submarine fleet. A long-range goal of the Chinese expansion has been the development of a blue-water navy capable of extended tours.
About 60 percent of China’s imported oil comes from the Middle East, and the bulk of that passes through the gulf, along with huge shipments of raw materials out of Africa. Last month, two Chinese ships were hijacked there, a fishing trawler and a Hong Kong-flagged cargo ship carrying wheat.
“I would think they would go to protect their own interests -- just for escorting purposes and not for policing,” said Jane Chan, an associate research fellow in the Maritime Security Program at Nanyang Technological University in Singapore. “I don’t think they’re talking about going on the offensive right now so far away.”
While China has been “quite wary of putting maritime assets in the region and wary of doing anything out in the open,” Chinese diplomats have been active in anti-piracy efforts, according to Arthur Bowring, managing director of the Hong Kong Shipowners Association.
“The Chinese have been working diplomatically with the Yemeni government and coast guard, and their ambassador in Nairobi is very heavily involved,” Mr. Bowring said. “They may not seem out in front, but they work extremely hard in the back seat.”
To help combat the dramatic rise of increasingly brazen hijackings in the gulf, the European Union deployed its first-ever naval mission this month, a six-ship flotilla. The E.U. operation, code-named Atalanta, joined other navies already patrolling there, including the United States, Russia and India.
“China is usually quite conservative about playing with the big guys or saying they’re going to match up with them,” said Ms. Chan.
Also this month, the Security Council passed a resolution allowing navies to breach Somalia’s 12-mile territorial limit while pursuing suspected pirates. And on Tuesday, the council voted unanimously to permit attacks on pirate bases on the ground as well.
Although pirates use oceangoing “mother ships” to attack merchant vessels deep in international waters, they are resupplied and find safe haven in towns along the lawless coast of Somalia. Many anti-piracy experts have pressed for international strikes against the pirate bases on land.
“Piracy is a symptom of the state of anarchy which has persisted in that country for over 17 years,” said the U.N. secretary general, Ban Ki-moon. “This lawlessness constitutes a serious threat to regional stability and to international peace and security.”
The U.S. secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, helped push through the U.N. resolution, which allows “all necessary measures.”
“I would not be here seeking authorization to go ashore if the United States government, perhaps most importantly, the president of the United States, were not behind this resolution,” she said.
Meanwhile Tuesday, two more ships were hijacked in the gulf - a French tugboat and a Turkish cargo ship.
More than 100 vessels have been attacked by pirates in the gulf this year, and 42 have been hijacked. Sixteen are currently being held for ransom, including a fully loaded Saudi supertanker, the Sirius Star, and a Ukrainian ship, the Faina, carrying a load of 32 battle tanks and other heavy weapons. About 250 crew members also are being held on the various hijacked ships.-
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China Close to Naval Mission in Gulf of Aden
By MARK McDONALD
Published: December 17, 2008
HONG KONG — In what would be the first active deployment of its warships beyond the Pacific, China appears set to send naval vessels to help in the fight against hijackers in the pirate-infested Gulf of Aden.
A vice foreign minister and a leading naval strategist were quoted in Chinese state media on Wednesday as saying that Beijing is close to mounting a naval mission in the gulf.
“China is seriously considering sending naval ships to the Gulf of Aden and waters off the Somali coast for escorting operations in the near future,” said the Foreign Ministry official, He Yafei, quoted by Xinhua, the official Chinese news agency. His remarks came at a ministerial meeting of the United Nations Security Council.
Li Jie, a military strategist and naval expert, told the state-run China Daily that cooperating with a multinational force operating against East African pirates would be a “very good opportunity” for the Chinese Navy.
“Apart from fighting pirates,” he said, “another key goal is to register the presence of the Chinese Navy.”
The newspaper earlier this month said Maj. Gen. Jin Yinan, a military planner at the National Defense University, had conceived the Gulf of Aden plan. The paper quoted General Jin as saying that “the Chinese Navy should send naval vessels to the Gulf of Aden to carry out anti-piracy duties.”
“If one day the Chinese Navy sends ships to deal with pirates,” he said, “nobody should be shocked.”
Traditionally concerned with coastal defense, the People’s Liberation Army Navy has been undergoing a wide and rapid modernization program, especially in the bolstering of its submarine fleet. A long-range goal of the Chinese expansion has been the development of a blue-water navy capable of extended tours.
About 60 percent of China’s imported oil comes from the Middle East, and the bulk of that passes through the gulf, along with huge shipments of raw materials out of Africa. Last month, two Chinese ships were hijacked there, a fishing trawler and a Hong Kong-flagged cargo ship carrying wheat.
“I would think they would go to protect their own interests -- just for escorting purposes and not for policing,” said Jane Chan, an associate research fellow in the Maritime Security Program at Nanyang Technological University in Singapore. “I don’t think they’re talking about going on the offensive right now so far away.”
While China has been “quite wary of putting maritime assets in the region and wary of doing anything out in the open,” Chinese diplomats have been active in anti-piracy efforts, according to Arthur Bowring, managing director of the Hong Kong Shipowners Association.
“The Chinese have been working diplomatically with the Yemeni government and coast guard, and their ambassador in Nairobi is very heavily involved,” Mr. Bowring said. “They may not seem out in front, but they work extremely hard in the back seat.”
To help combat the dramatic rise of increasingly brazen hijackings in the gulf, the European Union deployed its first-ever naval mission this month, a six-ship flotilla. The E.U. operation, code-named Atalanta, joined other navies already patrolling there, including the United States, Russia and India.
“China is usually quite conservative about playing with the big guys or saying they’re going to match up with them,” said Ms. Chan.
Also this month, the Security Council passed a resolution allowing navies to breach Somalia’s 12-mile territorial limit while pursuing suspected pirates. And on Tuesday, the council voted unanimously to permit attacks on pirate bases on the ground as well.
Although pirates use oceangoing “mother ships” to attack merchant vessels deep in international waters, they are resupplied and find safe haven in towns along the lawless coast of Somalia. Many anti-piracy experts have pressed for international strikes against the pirate bases on land.
“Piracy is a symptom of the state of anarchy which has persisted in that country for over 17 years,” said the U.N. secretary general, Ban Ki-moon. “This lawlessness constitutes a serious threat to regional stability and to international peace and security.”
The U.S. secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, helped push through the U.N. resolution, which allows “all necessary measures.”
“I would not be here seeking authorization to go ashore if the United States government, perhaps most importantly, the president of the United States, were not behind this resolution,” she said.
Meanwhile Tuesday, two more ships were hijacked in the gulf - a French tugboat and a Turkish cargo ship.
More than 100 vessels have been attacked by pirates in the gulf this year, and 42 have been hijacked. Sixteen are currently being held for ransom, including a fully loaded Saudi supertanker, the Sirius Star, and a Ukrainian ship, the Faina, carrying a load of 32 battle tanks and other heavy weapons. About 250 crew members also are being held on the various hijacked ships.-
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China will send ships to somalia
China Set to Help Fight Pirates Off Somali Coast
By Stephanie Ho
Beijing
17 December 2008
Official Chinese media are reporting that China will send ships to help combat piracy off the coast of Somalia. This comes one day after a senior Chinese official told the United Nations Security Council China is more than ready to help.
A Canadian Navy warship, foreground, escorts a World Food Program ship off the coast of Somalia (file photo)
A Canadian Navy warship, foreground, escorts a World Food Program ship off the coast of Somalia (file photo)
The piracy in the oceans around Somalia has become so bad that even China has been prompted to join the international effort to try to stop it.
A front-page report in the official English-language China Daily newspaper, Wednesday, quotes an unnamed source as saying, "There will be a significant peacekeeping operation" in Somalia.
The report says China is ready to send a naval mission to fight pirates in Somali waters. But it offers no details as to the scale of the Chinese mission or when it will be sent to Africa.
The Chinese ships would be joining an international flotilla, which includes vessels from the United States, Russia, Denmark and Italy.
Tuesday, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister He Yafei told the United Nations China is "seriously considering" the mission, which would be an unprecedented deployment of the country's navy.
The official Xinhua News Agency quotes Somali Foreign Minister Ali Ahmed Jama as welcoming China's participation in the fight against pirates. The Somali official is also reported as saying his country will do its best to secure the release of captured Chinese sailors and vessels.
Xinhua says Somali pirates are still holding captive one Chinese vessel and 17 Chinese nationals.
Liu Jianchao (file photo)
Liu Jianchao (file photo)
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao says China supports international efforts to fight Somali piracy.
Liu says China will strengthen cooperation on the Somalia pirate problem, in accordance with international law and U.N. Security Council resolutions.
Rampant piracy in the busy Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean, near Somalia, has become a growing problem, driving up insurance costs and forcing ships to take alternative routes.
The attacks also are targeting ships from an increasing number of countries.
China has traditionally kept its troops close to home, reflecting its consistent policy of non-interference in the internal affairs of another country. But, as China's economic clout has grown, it has become increasingly involved in peacekeeping operations around the world, including in Haiti and in Sudan's troubled Darfur region.
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China Set to Help Fight Pirates Off Somali Coast
By Stephanie Ho
Beijing
17 December 2008
Official Chinese media are reporting that China will send ships to help combat piracy off the coast of Somalia. This comes one day after a senior Chinese official told the United Nations Security Council China is more than ready to help.
A Canadian Navy warship, foreground, escorts a World Food Program ship off the coast of Somalia (file photo)
A Canadian Navy warship, foreground, escorts a World Food Program ship off the coast of Somalia (file photo)
The piracy in the oceans around Somalia has become so bad that even China has been prompted to join the international effort to try to stop it.
A front-page report in the official English-language China Daily newspaper, Wednesday, quotes an unnamed source as saying, "There will be a significant peacekeeping operation" in Somalia.
The report says China is ready to send a naval mission to fight pirates in Somali waters. But it offers no details as to the scale of the Chinese mission or when it will be sent to Africa.
The Chinese ships would be joining an international flotilla, which includes vessels from the United States, Russia, Denmark and Italy.
Tuesday, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister He Yafei told the United Nations China is "seriously considering" the mission, which would be an unprecedented deployment of the country's navy.
The official Xinhua News Agency quotes Somali Foreign Minister Ali Ahmed Jama as welcoming China's participation in the fight against pirates. The Somali official is also reported as saying his country will do its best to secure the release of captured Chinese sailors and vessels.
Xinhua says Somali pirates are still holding captive one Chinese vessel and 17 Chinese nationals.
Liu Jianchao (file photo)
Liu Jianchao (file photo)
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao says China supports international efforts to fight Somali piracy.
Liu says China will strengthen cooperation on the Somalia pirate problem, in accordance with international law and U.N. Security Council resolutions.
Rampant piracy in the busy Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean, near Somalia, has become a growing problem, driving up insurance costs and forcing ships to take alternative routes.
The attacks also are targeting ships from an increasing number of countries.
China has traditionally kept its troops close to home, reflecting its consistent policy of non-interference in the internal affairs of another country. But, as China's economic clout has grown, it has become increasingly involved in peacekeeping operations around the world, including in Haiti and in Sudan's troubled Darfur region.
aznboi123, Before opening a new thread be sure to check if the subject or similar subject is already underway.
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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
from the IR point of view, this pirate thing looks kinda suspicious...its like war on terror all over again, something so broad and up-in-the-air, you can use that as an excuse to do anything especially against powerless african countries...just like what terrorism once was. only this time i guess China decides to go cuz they dont wanna be left out in this new round of global competition...its like catching train ride
from the IR point of view, this pirate thing looks kinda suspicious...its like war on terror all over again, something so broad and up-in-the-air, you can use that as an excuse to do anything especially against powerless african countries...just like what terrorism once was. only this time i guess China decides to go cuz they dont wanna be left out in this new round of global competition...its like catching train ride