PLAN Anti-Piracy Deployments

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I think as long as we make it deadly for the pirates to even attempt hijacking ships (make the opportunity cost much higher), the pirates may be more wary of attacking. Show them, through numerous examples, that the life expectancy of anyone going into to the Gulf of Aden or the Red Sea with piracy on their mind will be hours, not day. I would station two vessels at either end of the passage, where the ships could pick up and drop off security teams (of 5-10 people each) for a transit (subject to a minor fee and request). Such teams would have personal arms and light machine guns. The objective is to make the pirates think twice before attacking.

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AssassinsMace said:

I just saw on TV yesterday, I believe I heard it was last year alone, it cost shipping companies $30 million dollars paying ransom to these pirates. So some of these companies are looking into hiring armed security like Blackwater to travel with their ships.

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$30 million spread around the companies would be a lot less than hiring trustworthy and reliable security guards. Some might consider it, but if they can afford that they can afford water canon, electric fences, sonic "weapons", etc. As I said armed men can lead to a gunfight and people dying. Now who the hell would want to work on a shipping line where they might die (talking about the sailors)?

AssassinsMace said:

It's irrelevant what the laws are. The media can spin anything.....

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WTF provoked all of that? Dude, seriously - switch to decaf.

If the PLAN took part in an international anti-piracy force I doubt anyone would complain. Of course if it started barging onto random ships looking for pirates and interfered with fishermen/traders/etc without any UN backing it may well be the subject of criticism like anyone else.

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well, actually AssasinsMace's got a point. China has a peacekeeping force in Darfur and Lebanon, but you don't hear a thing about it on western media. All you hear is how China's thirst for oil is fueling the conflict in Darfur.

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Furthermore, I think that's one of the reasons why the Chinese govt is reluctant to send out actual combat units rather than engineering/medical elements to these peacekeeping missions.

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UCSDAE said:

well, actually AssasinsMace's got a point. China has a peacekeeping force in Darfur and Lebanon, but you don't hear a thing about it on western media.

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China's deployments were covered in the non-Chinese media - these are just a handful of examples from just the BBC.

- 20th January, 2004

- 18th September, 2006

If you're complaining that China isn't being congratulated every other week for its activities, do you really think most people around the world know that Pakistan contributes the largest number of soldiers to UN peacekeeping missions? Many nations don't even get articles printed on them when they deploy peacekeepers - at best they can expect a mention in an article focusing on another country or wider crisis.

As for Darfur and Sudanese oil, what do you expect when the foreign media will berate their own governments for their own shady/questionable activities? Do you expect them to make an exception and sweep Chinese dealings under the carpet? For goodness sake, Japan gets crucified every year just for hunting whales in much of the international media!

Furthermore, I think that's one of the reasons why the Chinese govt is reluctant to send out actual combat units rather than engineering/medical elements to these peacekeeping missions.

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What, that they won't get a sufficient amount of positive media coverage?

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Mr T said:

WTF provoked all of that? Dude, seriously - switch to decaf.

If the PLAN took part in an international anti-piracy force I doubt anyone would complain. Of course if it started barging onto random ships looking for pirates and interfered with fishermen/traders/etc without any UN backing it may well be the subject of criticism like anyone else.

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There was no provocation, Fu dude. I was referring to the discussion before hand not anything you said. That's why it was a separate post and not a reply to yours so don't take it personally. Turn down the meds a notch. They're making you see things that are not there.

Please do not refer to Mr T as FuManChu. Golly has explained the situation previsouly.

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Now now gents, play nice. Dosen't matter who started it, but just end it here or else either you or the thread will.

Ahem. What do you gents think PLAN and CCP have got to gain by commiting to this cause? what have they got to lose?

The experience gained whilst fighting pirates are minimal, yet it might be more worthwhile watching other navies tackle this. Does china need to participate to gain this experience? i doubt it, but they might, and might not learn more by participating.

But, if china does participate, the media will spin it aginest chinese favor. If pre-olympic !@#$ storm was any indication its what we would expect. Even if the chinese backs off after the media storm starts, its going to get spined that the pirates won aginest PLAN, much similar to what i am seeing about vietnam skirmish. Unless piracy becomes a local problem, it doesn't seem worthwhile for CCP itself to be commited to this issue.

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Does it really matter what some media have to say with thier "opinions" if China send a ship to fight pirate and protect shipping of both it's own and international ships?
No, it doesn't, not even the sligtest, just do the right thing and let ppl say what ever they want, who cares?

If u really want to shut those biased media up, you can always leave your country without a military.

Some ppl just care too much, do too little.

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AssassinsMace said:

There was no provocation, Fu dude.

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Who is "Fu"?

I was referring to the discussion before hand not anything you said. That's why it was a separate post and not a reply to yours so don't take it personally.

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I wasn't taking it personally, I was surprised you were so annoyed over something ridiculous.

Turn down the meds a notch. They're making you see things that are not there.

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Hey, no need to be so unpleasant. There's a difference between drinking too much strong coffee and being on drugs.

batskcab said:

But, if china does participate, the media will spin it aginest chinese favor.

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That sounds a bit single-minded to me. China hasn't had peacekeeping deployments spun against it in various mainstream publications, so why would most people complain about joining in anti-piracy operations?

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yehe said:

Some ppl just care too much, do too little.

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on the other side of the coin: Some ppl just do too much and care to little...