PLAN Anti-Piracy Deployments

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Beside, China doesn't have enough destroyers to spare a few to Africa coast.

Well, they got all those 051s and 052s still... pretty much useless for anything other than dealing with pirates.

Same with the frigates with the exception of 054/054A.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

I doubt it. They're very opposed to it, as are the insurance companies - putting armed men on all those ships would just increase the chance of people getting killed. Also it's very expensive. As things stand they prefer to pay the ransom.

If anything happens you'll see the ships upgraded with defensive technology to stop them boarding in the first place.

I just saw on TV yesterday, I believe I heard it was last year alone, it cost shipping companies $30 million dollars paying ransom to these pirates. So some of these companies are looking into hiring armed security like Blackwater to travel with their ships.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

It's irrelevant what the laws are. The media can spin anything. For example, how can one turn the Obama victory and spin it to make China racist? Just read some of the news articles after the election of Western journalists who report on China. Most were veiled but the most straightforward remark was something like, " Obama would never become President of China because the Chinese are racists." No, Obama would never become President of China because the Chinese never enslaved nor stole the lands of the African people. And how many Western countries have had a leader of "obvious" African descent? None as of today. Before this you'd hear Americans chide China because they've never had a woman leader of the country. See how they spin nothing into something or commit blatant hypocrisy without a second thought of self-reflection. Chinese naval warships in the Indian Ocean on routine patrol alone will set-off the alarms. They don't have to even fire a shot. Plus take a look at the alarm over Sino-African relations and trade. Pirates serve their interests in disrupting it. The only thing the pirates have to do is claim they're fighting against Chinese imperialism and they'll get sympathy. Look at the hypocrisy of what is and what's not terrorism?
 

Scyth

Junior Member
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

I heard on tv yesterday that the UN was going to take actions against piracy so in that case China COULD 'legally' deploy warships if China wants to do so. IF China is going to deploy ships to Somalia, what ships would they sent and how many of them?
Personally I don't think that China will sent any ships to Somalia because they don't have much of 'modern' ships for self defence etc.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

I heard on tv yesterday that the UN was going to take actions against piracy so in that case China COULD 'legally' deploy warships if China wants to do so. IF China is going to deploy ships to Somalia, what ships would they sent and how many of them?
Personally I don't think that China will sent any ships to Somalia because they don't have much of 'modern' ships for self defence etc.

I think they have more frigates than the UK or India, so I think if they wanted to they could spare one of their later variants.
It would actually give their sevicemen the chance to get some active experience in a blue water environment and a long way from home, without arousing concern from other countries.
 

Londo Molari

Junior Member
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Personally I don't think that China will sent any ships to Somalia because they don't have much of 'modern' ships for self defence etc.
lol you don't need modern ships to stop pirates... even China's oldest obsolete frigates could easily annihilate the boats used by pirates.

The thing is, that area is much further away from China than India, just like most other countries. Have you heard any news of any other countries engaging pirates?

Also, as soon as China protects its ships from pirates, the west will spam panic-inducing headlines, like China is taking over the world, blah blah.

It just doesn't make sense to send ships now. But if the problem gets worse, then China may send escorts.
 

ABC78

Junior Member
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Hey fellas whether or not there is a U.N. resolution, a non-U.N. multi-national plan or if China goes it on there own to curb piracy in waters surrounding Somalia.

If a Chinese TASK FORCE is to be dispatched for what ever reason. How big, what ships and how long can or should they patrol the area?

China is not currently in a naval conflict where it requires every vessel to be near Chinese waters. Plus the damned pirates are messing with trade. Espaically in this current economic climate the world those not need this to be added to the problem.
 

Pointblank

Senior Member
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

The thing is, that area is much further away from China than India, just like most other countries. Have you heard any news of any other countries engaging pirates?

The case with the Indians was a rare occasion; the pirates actually tried to stay around and fight. In other cases, the pirates usually fled at the sight of a helicopter, patrol plane, or even a warship on the horizon.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

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Heres a passage with a divergent opinion in deciding what to do.


..............That is, at least, the expert opinion of Katie Stuhldreher. Writing in the Christian Science Monitor recently, she put forth a three-way approach to the Somalia problem. One, the international community should appreciate that the piracy in Somalia has its origin among disgruntled fishermen who had to compete with illegal poaching by foreign commercial vessels in its tuna-rich coastal waters.

This unequal fight created a local impoverished population. Resentment was also caused among the coastal population over the shameless dumping of wastes in Somali waters by foreign ships. The disgruntled local fishermen, who lost out, soon organized to attack foreign fishing vessels and demand compensation. Their campaign succeeded and prompted many young men to "hang up their fishing nets in favor of AK-47s".

Stuhldreher suggested, "Making the coastal areas lucrative for local fishermen again could encourage pirates to return to legitimate livelihoods." Therefore, she wrote, "A fishery protection force will eliminate the pirates’ source of legitimacy." This could be done under the auspices of the UN or African Union or a "coalition of the willing".

Most important, "An international force sent to protect local industry will achieve the same goal as warships but in a more acceptable way. The principal reason piracy thrives along Somalia's coast is that there is no coastal authority to protect these waters. Armed foreign ships will still serve to fill that vacuum and deter attacks, but with the explicit mission of serving Somalia's people - the very people who have chalked up enough reasons to dislike foreign military interventions and are likely to view the presence of warships as intimidation."
 

Scyth

Junior Member
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

lol you don't need modern ships to stop pirates... even China's oldest obsolete frigates could easily annihilate the boats used by pirates.

The thing is, that area is much further away from China than India, just like most other countries. Have you heard any news of any other countries engaging pirates?

Also, as soon as China protects its ships from pirates, the west will spam panic-inducing headlines, like China is taking over the world, blah blah.

It just doesn't make sense to send ships now. But if the problem gets worse, then China may send escorts.

true...best methods is i guess to use speedboats with a bunch of marines :p, but i doubt whether those old on life support boats will make it out port...

@Blade, China may have more boats than uk (idk about india) but i think that the UK doesn't need much protection because the EU is quite safe...just my 2cts...
 
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