There is no problem that affects me personally, so the problem is mostlikely on your side I guess.
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There is no problem that affects me personally, so the problem is mostlikely on your side I guess.
JayBird
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yea, we dont need discussions, we need photos. High resolution ones, if possible.
No need for more high resolution photos. It's already proven it was a giant oil tanker. fzgfzy's long article on Modern Ships magazine September edition was just a big advertisement for the oil tanker industry of China. Sorry kroko.....
No need for more high resolution photos. It's already proven it was a giant oil tanker. fzgfzy's long article on Modern Ships magazine September edition was just a big advertisement for the oil tanker industry of China. Sorry kroko.....
I don't understand, are you kidding?
JayBird
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Sorry Bltizo, that message for kroko only.
But I heard some members of CD confirmed fzgfzy's article on 001A did got published on the September edition of Modern ships.
JayBird
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One of the oldest insider guy pop3 also commented on 001A, his information kind of correlate with some of what fzgfzy says. Rough translation below.
He pretty much stated 001A will be using STOBAR, no chance for CATOBAR due to timing. But there is no problem with CATOBAR for the next carrier. When a carrier is in technical design phrase. All critical equipments must have a detailed index parameters. otherwise the overall design simply can not proceed.
For example, the choice of what type of power Propulsion and it's parameters have direct impact on overall design with speed and displacement of the ship. And there is no need to explain the importance of flight deck design and layout directly related to what type of system used for the launch and recovery of aircraft.
And the carrier under construction now cannot use CATOBAR simply because CATOBAR test has not been completed during the design phrase of 001A. which means that there are some parameters uncertainty. And you can't have uncertainty with critical components while designing a ship.
You can treat 001A like a ship jumping the queue. The purpose is to have another carrier ASAP. Besides, the building of 001A have no conflict with 002. Everybody can build their own ship(Different shipyard). And navy gets an extra carrier.
On 055: will have HQ-9B for long range air defense, medium he won't say....(But sounds like something very new) short range is HQ-10. And definitely not YJ-18 for Anti-ship, but instead is YJ-18A. There is supposedly an extra "tail" with YJ-18A compared to YJ-18 that will make a big difference.
Yes to cruise missile and Torpedo defensive weapons(Don't know what that is) The first 055 will still use 130MM as the main gun. But very high chance Electromagnetic railgun will be used on subsequent hull. Electronic equipments will be using the best of the best technology PLAN culminated in recent years. The combination of the best hardware and software will multiply the overall strength of the 055.
全新国产航母已经在建，这不是啥新鲜事，军迷关心的弹还是滑也不是新鲜事，必滑无疑，毕竟设计时间严格说还不到三年，搞个护卫舰设计也比这时间长，其中含义，你读懂也好读不懂也罢，是你的事情。国产航母的蒸汽动力在6年前就搞出来了；而弹射已经不存在上舰使用的任何问题。
时间轴的问题。
舰船搞设计方案及技术设计时，所有的关键设备都必须有详细的指标参数，而且必须是经过固化的指标参数，否则总体设计根本就没法进行下去。比如主机的选型及主机的参数，这个与舰型及舰总体的指标如排量、航速、线性有直接的关系。
对航母来说，飞行甲板上的设备之关键性自不必言，弹射器就是重中之重，直接关系到飞行甲板的布局。 现在在建的航母，其方案设计和技术设计时，弹射器尚未完成试验，也就是说一些参数尚有不确定性，这样的状况是无法进行舰总体设计的，此其一。
其二，这本就是一艘“插队”的舰，目的就是要快，与弹射航母并没有任何冲突之处，各搞各的，而水师多一艘航母有何不好呢？勿论适合起飞方式。
先说呜呜上有啥？
电子设备绝对先进，乃土鳖多年之大成所集也，但大部分军迷乃至很多专家皆为小白，说了也不懂，故此就不说了。
电子设备之先进程度，绝不亚于武器系统，此所说的武器系统乃是硬武器系统，最佳搭配是两者皆强，无奈诸多军迷和专家只会看舰面武器系统，连水下武器没有图片都张口结舌。
那么，就说说呜呜上的舰面武器吧。
主炮乃130，此在二弟上面已见，而研制一型主炮的周期不比研制一型舰船短，啥子上127、155口径之言，皆为无中生有。而电磁炮在后续型号上出现的可能性是极大的。
副炮没啥可说滴，054A上是啥就是啥。
这个130虽有先天的不足，此在以前的帖子里说过了，不重复；但优势是强烈的，炮射导弹能力就是其一。
防空弹有远中近，远是9B；中是哪啥，嘿嘿，俺就不说，让专家去猜吧；近是HQ-10。
反舰弹是YJ-18？哈哈，别扯蛋了，绝对不是YJ-18，那是啥？是YJ-18A。当然，你认为多个小尾巴没有啥区别那是你的事情。
对陆巡航弹有没有呢？那个必须有，没有不是中国人啊！
这个大个舰，还得有鱼雷防御武器吧？那是自然的，是中国人都来顶啊！
而至于啥子反弹道导弹，出现在呜呜上是不可能的，原因以前也说过，不啰嗦。
He pretty much stated 001A will be using STOBAR, no chance for CATOBAR due to timing. But there is no problem with CATOBAR for the next carrier. When a carrier is in technical design phrase. All critical equipments must have a detailed index parameters. otherwise the overall design simply can not proceed.
For example, the choice of what type of power Propulsion and it's parameters have direct impact on overall design with speed and displacement of the ship. And there is no need to explain the importance of flight deck design and layout directly related to what type of system used for the launch and recovery of aircraft.
And the carrier under construction now cannot use CATOBAR simply because CATOBAR test has not been completed during the design phrase of 001A. which means that there are some parameters uncertainty. And you can't have uncertainty with critical components while designing a ship.
You can treat 001A like a ship jumping the queue. The purpose is to have another carrier ASAP. Besides, the building of 001A have no conflict with 002. Everybody can build their own ship(Different shipyard). And navy gets an extra carrier.
On 055: will have HQ-9B for long range air defense, medium he won't say....(But sounds like something very new) short range is HQ-10. And definitely not YJ-18 for Anti-ship, but instead is YJ-18A. There is supposedly an extra "tail" with YJ-18A compared to YJ-18 that will make a big difference.
Yes to cruise missile and Torpedo defensive weapons(Don't know what that is) The first 055 will still use 130MM as the main gun. But very high chance Electromagnetic railgun will be used on subsequent hull. Electronic equipments will be using the best of the best technology PLAN culminated in recent years. The combination of the best hardware and software will multiply the overall strength of the 055.
全新国产航母已经在建，这不是啥新鲜事，军迷关心的弹还是滑也不是新鲜事，必滑无疑，毕竟设计时间严格说还不到三年，搞个护卫舰设计也比这时间长，其中含义，你读懂也好读不懂也罢，是你的事情。国产航母的蒸汽动力在6年前就搞出来了；而弹射已经不存在上舰使用的任何问题。
时间轴的问题。
舰船搞设计方案及技术设计时，所有的关键设备都必须有详细的指标参数，而且必须是经过固化的指标参数，否则总体设计根本就没法进行下去。比如主机的选型及主机的参数，这个与舰型及舰总体的指标如排量、航速、线性有直接的关系。
对航母来说，飞行甲板上的设备之关键性自不必言，弹射器就是重中之重，直接关系到飞行甲板的布局。 现在在建的航母，其方案设计和技术设计时，弹射器尚未完成试验，也就是说一些参数尚有不确定性，这样的状况是无法进行舰总体设计的，此其一。
其二，这本就是一艘“插队”的舰，目的就是要快，与弹射航母并没有任何冲突之处，各搞各的，而水师多一艘航母有何不好呢？勿论适合起飞方式。
先说呜呜上有啥？
电子设备绝对先进，乃土鳖多年之大成所集也，但大部分军迷乃至很多专家皆为小白，说了也不懂，故此就不说了。
电子设备之先进程度，绝不亚于武器系统，此所说的武器系统乃是硬武器系统，最佳搭配是两者皆强，无奈诸多军迷和专家只会看舰面武器系统，连水下武器没有图片都张口结舌。
那么，就说说呜呜上的舰面武器吧。
主炮乃130，此在二弟上面已见，而研制一型主炮的周期不比研制一型舰船短，啥子上127、155口径之言，皆为无中生有。而电磁炮在后续型号上出现的可能性是极大的。
副炮没啥可说滴，054A上是啥就是啥。
这个130虽有先天的不足，此在以前的帖子里说过了，不重复；但优势是强烈的，炮射导弹能力就是其一。
防空弹有远中近，远是9B；中是哪啥，嘿嘿，俺就不说，让专家去猜吧；近是HQ-10。
反舰弹是YJ-18？哈哈，别扯蛋了，绝对不是YJ-18，那是啥？是YJ-18A。当然，你认为多个小尾巴没有啥区别那是你的事情。
对陆巡航弹有没有呢？那个必须有，没有不是中国人啊！
这个大个舰，还得有鱼雷防御武器吧？那是自然的，是中国人都来顶啊！
而至于啥子反弹道导弹，出现在呜呜上是不可能的，原因以前也说过，不啰嗦。
Pmichael, go back and read my first moderation post to you:
HERE
I talked to you there about being respectful...and now you repeat the same comments, calling China not smart, being anachronistic, being backward, being hostile to innovation, and not trusting their own engineers.
Every bit of that, speaking as one who personally spent many years in military system design in the US...including naval military design... (and I know I can speak for others on this forum who have spent decades serving on US and other naval ships), as I say, all of those bombastic statements you make are both juvenile and are what we call pure bravo sierra...meaning it is hogwash.
I gave you examples of the time frames of carriers created. China has managed, despite your reservations and skewed (and false) opinions of them, to produce one of the most powerful and capable carrier battle groups in the world.
We try and maintain a professional decorum here, as I have told you. Apparently you did not take it to heart...and so, now you are getting an official warning.
Cease the disrespect, cease the bombastic, insulting statements of people you do not know and who have done pretty amazing things for China, cease what we are now viewing as antagonistic rhetoric and flame bait.
Any more of this will lead to a suspension. If you persist after that, you will simply be banned.
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Thanks for posting those videos. The first video is in Chinese and way tooooo long..so... why is the second video showing Nimitz class?.Duh...
And the video is also claiming that the carrier will have EMAL catapults and a ski ramp. Anyone care to speculate on that?
thank you!
And the video is also claiming that the carrier will have EMAL catapults and a ski ramp. Anyone care to speculate on that?
thank you!
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