PLA strategy in an Indian conflict

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MelianPretext

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It isn't in China's interests to play in America's hand by falling into a conflict with India. The fundamental reason Sino-Indian relations have been poisoned is through British malice via the London-drawn border lines. Getting bogged down by Western divide and conquer a second time in South Asia at this critical period of challenging Western hegemony would be potentially catastrophic.

That said, there is a non-zero chance that the far future will see conflict between China and India. The latter, after all, is a lower riparian country and an often forgotten tension in South Asia is that of water usage rights. As long term climate change renders South Asia more and more prone to heat waves, water demand on the sub-continent will significantly increase.

One key facet of the Indian geostrategic aim in claiming Aksai Chin is that it can act as a springboard on the Tibetan plateau in projecting onto and potentially seizing the Third Pole. All of the great rivers of continental South, South-East and East Asia (the Indus, the Brahmaputra, the Mekong, the Chang Jiang/Yangtze, the Huang He/Yellow) all have their source from China's Third Pole. While China's maritime geography, constrained by the first island chain, is unfortunate, the Third Pole makes China's western geography supremely advantageous through its upper riparian control.

Even if India refrains from actual invasion of the Third Pole, the mere threat that the Indian control of Aksai Chin poses alone could act as leverage in its water rights negotiations with China.

This is why, after half a century since the Sino-Indian war, India still has not "seen reason" and buried the hatchet with China by settling the claims in the Himalayas. This is also why the chances of any settlement on the matter in the near term is less than optimistic. With no settlement on the border issue, achieving stable and positive Sino-Indian relations is also unlikely given that repeats of clashes like Galwan could be incited by the Indian side at any time, tanking any reconciliation efforts like Galwan did to the past mildly tepid detente of the 2010s.

For China's part, it can only anticipate that the Indian challenge is a long term threat to the Third Pole that will only increase as time goes on. For now, in the midst of challenging American hegemony, China is studiously avoiding the matter as overtly antagonizing India would firmly entrench it in QUAD to China's detriment and risk giving Indian jingoists the impression they could potentially settle the matter now while China is bogged down with the West.

However, at that time, China should make it emphatic that any encroachment onto the Third Pole (of which Aksai Chin is the first slice of the salami) is a scenario that would merit nuclear reprisal onto India and that the only way to settle India's water usage security will always be through the channel of dialogue with China.
 

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It's laughable that India could muster the military power to harm China in any scenario, including the one where China is engaged in a full-scale war with the US in the Pacific. India cannot project military power against China either across the Himalayas or in the Indian Ocean. Although the PLA would be capable of conducting strikes across India with impunity (especially after the introduction of systems like the H-20), invading India would be an entirely different matter. If the PLA is a meat grinder, India can afford to throw mountains of bodies into the grinder until it jams.
 

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I imagine the Indians will most likely be waiting for a broader conflict like Taiwan to emerge. Just ballistic missiles with conventional warheads could do damage to Chinese military sites.
Trying to pick a fight using conventional ballistic missiles with China would be dumbest strategy possible. Not only do China have a vastly superior arsenal but the geography massively stacks against India.
 

Mohsin77

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even Pakistanis are not as confident in their abilities as you are on theirs :) all we need is the ability to defend ourselves when time comes and not be a pushover

That is hilariously incorrect, given the historical evidence.

Bro, we have initiated 3 wars with India already over Kashmir. We basically launched the 1st war the day we became independent, lolz. We didn't even have control of our own army yet! The British hadn't even left. They were packing their bags, and...

Pakistan comes up and says "hey guyz, so.... we just launched a war, can we have the keys to our Army?"
And the Brits were like "Wtf?! no! You can't launch a war!"
And we were like "But... we kinda did that already, so... keys?"

^ This isn't even an exaggeration, it's basically literally what happened in '47.

And we launched 2 more wars since then, in '65 and '99. So clearly, simply 'defending' ourselves is not the actual "doctrine" of Pakistan. It never has been, because we have unsettled disputes and a justified casus belli.

The question is not if we will launch a war again, but when. And no, nukes aren't going to stop us from attacking (we already proved that in Kargil.) The only reason Pakistan isn't launching anything right now is because we've been passing through horrible economic conditions (of our own making) and we do not have the capacity to mount offensives. But eventually, when we become strong enough again, war is going to be back on the table, unless a diplomatic solution can be reached first (and obviously a diplomatic solution would be great, but India has never been interested in that.)

Now, obviously, many think that Pakistan will never have the capacity to mount offensives against India again. Well, I remind them again, the 1st offensive we launched was when we didn't even officially have a frekkin army! lolz. It's not a task that is forever "impossible." There are war plans designed for it even now in the GHQ, which won't be very effective today, but eventually, a day will come when one might be, iA.
 
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Anyways, getting back to the OP.

China shouldn't worry about dealing with India directly. They have bigger fish to fry right now.
According to Mearsheimer’s Offensive Realism school of international relations, now is exactly the time for China to use every means in its disposal to limit and contain India’s growth. If China delays, and wait until India grow to be a formidable power, it would be to late.

Indeed, the greatest strategic failure and the cause of American geopolitical headache today is that in the 2000s when China was comparatively much weaker, the US thought that terrorists driving pick-up trucks were the “bigger fish to fry.”
 

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Your analogy works against your own thesis.

If China goes to war with India and ignores the US, that would be like the US war on Afghanistan while it ignored China.

I think China's indirect approach with India is sufficient for now.

China actually does have 'bigger fish' unlike the US's miscalculation in 2000.

India can be a major annoyance, but the US is the actual threat for China.

And there really isn't much of a chance of India outpacing China in 20 years, like China did with the US since 2000.
 
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According to Mearsheimer’s Offensive Realism school of international relations, now is exactly the time for China to use every means in its disposal to limit and contain India’s growth. If China delays, and wait until India grow to be a formidable power, it would be to late.

Indeed, the greatest strategic failure and the cause of American geopolitical headache today is that in the 2000s when China was comparatively much weaker, the US thought that terrorists driving pick-up trucks were the “bigger fish to fry.”

And just how are you planning to do this? Attack India unprovoked? I cannot think of a worse decision to do than attacking a country with nuclear weapons unprovoked.

Isolate it economically? Well, they are running a giant manufacturing surplus against India. Why would it do that? The current China/India engagement is overwhelmingly in China's favor.

India is going to keep growing and become a super power in its own right. America is extremely stupid if it thinks India will follow its direction long term.

China going out of its way try to destroy India for just minor border skirmishes will backfire badly.

There is only one logical way to stay ahead of India. That will be to do what they've done for the past 20 years. Keep growing economically, militarily, technologically and socially. The gap in national power between China and India has never been larger. We are at a point where China can legitimately supply weapons to Pakistan that will overwhelm India. If you are worried about India militarily, supporting Pakistan with high quality exports is the best counter weight.

How would India be able to mount offensive against China if Pakistan gets FC-31s and GJ-11 (or similar UCAVs) + modern artilleries that would easily be able to destroy India air defense systems?

Your analogy works against your own thesis.

If China goes to war with India and ignores the US, that would be like the US war on Afghanistan while it ignored China.

I think China's indirect approach with India is sufficient for now.

China actually does have 'bigger fish' unlike the US's miscalculation in 2000.

India can be a major annoyance, but the US is the actual threat for China.

And there really isn't much of a chance of India outpacing China in 20 years, like China did with the US since 2000.

Exactly. If China is more concerned about India, it can work hard to supply Bangladesh with J-10Cs, VT4s and SH-15s.

With India finally feeling the pressure of being "in America's corner", China's best move is to work on breaking up that relationship rather than strengthening that relationship by being overly aggressive against India.
 

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I don’t think much has to change. Chinas water diplomacy is putting pressure on India. China should just keep doing what it’s doing. Keep arming Pakistan. Without nukes India can beat Pakistan but it would be a bloody Pyrrhic victory for them. You add China to this war and India loses very badly. They would run out of ammo after 2 weeks of fighting according to war game scenarios. The Indian military brass knows this but the politicians don’t care. So the plan should be the threat of a two front war. If for example China is fighting the US and India tries to open another front that should be a signal to Pakistan to attack India. Even if the US tries to supply India the war would still go badly for New Delhi. Historically it’s rare for a nation to be able to win a two front war. Only the Israelis come to mind to be able to do that. But they had help from
the west and their enemies were very incompetent. In India’s case a war with China would quickly be a two front war. And the casualties they would suffer be horrendous. All Pakistan can do is muster the majority of its military focus to fight India. China half of its military focus. India would be divided on how they would fight. They have massive manpower but they lack a good defense industry. They import their military tech. Once they run out of bullets what happens next? This is why the US hasn’t really tried to make India into a major ally to confront China. Simply because India is in a strategic hard place. On paper it makes sense to support India but once war starts they would be fighting in all sides and it would be difficult to support them. India would be more of a liability.
India would be like the Austrian Hungarian empire in WW1. On paper strong but once they fight multiple fronts would need to be rescued by their more powerful allies.
 
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