PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

Blitzo

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Taiwan does have enough caves and underground facilities to hides its SAMs and artilleries and wait until PLA actually lands (but before being able to set up something permanent for logistics) to pull off a Iwo Jima type beach massacre. Image such beach massacre happens whilst the oceans surround Taiwan still have US and Japanese submarines. That would be the worse nightmare for the PLA.

Well, the idea of the PLA conducting a landing operation where ROC SAMs and artillery remain as a viable force is exactly what is being said as what they would not be doing and would be actively eliminating.

In other words, any amphibious assaults on Taiwan would not be viable until the ROC military assets plus foreign militaries in the region were completely neutralised.

Essentially yes, and that shouldn't be written as if it is particularly surprising.
That should have been the default understanding for most people paying attention for the last 3-4 years now.

And that would require the PLA to have a much larger missile and long-range artillery plus air-launch standoff weapon/loiter drone inventory than it has right now.

That is somewhat more debatable, as it depends on the permutations of conflict parties and the expected success of different phases of conflict.
It is however true that for the PLA, more fires, more IADS, more fighters, UCAVs, bombers, EW, naval forces etc are all desirable to make that task more easily achievable, or achievable in a faster timeline.
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
Taiwan does have enough caves and underground facilities to hides its SAMs and artilleries and wait until PLA actually lands (but before being able to set up something permanent for logistics) to pull off a Iwo Jima type beach massacre. Image such beach massacre happens whilst the oceans surround Taiwan still have US and Japanese submarines. That would be the worse nightmare for the PLA.

In other words, any amphibious assaults on Taiwan would not be viable until the ROC military assets plus foreign militaries in the region were completely neutralised. And that would require the PLA to have a much larger missile and long-range artillery plus air-launch standoff weapon/loiter drone inventory than it has right now.
If the ROCA is hiding their rocket artillery in caves they can’t form defensive lines to prevent the landing, and the areas they could emerge from would be monitored 24-7, while every known exit point would be constantly hammered by bunker busters or road strikes. Any successful launch meanwhile would give away any exits that aren’t already known, and Taiwan only has so many of them. This is what Israel did to Iran, and Iran had way more mountain fortifications to hide their strike positions than Taiwan does. This is not really a workable counter. Furthermore, it’s not even clear what the ROCA could use to guide their rocket artillery fires if they lose their air control and radars.
 

plawolf

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This is basically my thinking: HIMARS might employ a bunker deployment-sprint launch approach, similar to ICBM TELs. It would be extremely difficult to detect and destroy before launch unless there is extensive aerial surveillance by numerous drones. Amphibious operations and coastal cities would face significant casualties until decisive air superiority is achieved.

Therefore, in the previously envisioned escalation of gray warfare (blockade) – amphibious operations on outer islands – amphibious operations on the main island, airspace control operations might occur earlier and more intensely. The contest for airspace (not merely aerial combat) will serve as a localized engagement phase between gray warfare and full-scale war. Such as establishing no-fly zones during the blockade phase, declaring the destruction of any retaliatory equipment, and attempting of forced airspace takeover using drones. Complete air superiority might even be a prerequisite for amphibious operations.

Furthermore, the recent indiscriminate bombing by Israel and the US, primarily using their air forces, has somewhat desensitized the world to these actions.

You do not comprehend the sheer scale of Chinese drone warfare capabilities.

ROC will loose control of the skies in the opening hours of any fight. But even before then, the PLA will be flooding the combat space with MALE UCAVs and higher end stealth drones for both 24/7 real time surveillance and immediate strike of high value targets.

HIMARs and other long range weapons will be lucky to be able to get out of hiding into launch position before being spotted and engaged, and any that do manage to fire will immediately draw an overwhelming response such that the odds of it being able to escape to fire again will be comically low. So, Taiwan will have an impossible choice, keep their HIMARs in hiding for the landings or consider them single use assets since they will basically loose any they do use before then.

You will also be dealing with the full spectrum of logistical and communication problems as the PLA will be mad to not immediately take down Taiwan’s entire power grid and comms networks.

After a few days of lights out, civilian signals traffic will drop off a cliff, which will massively aim PLA SIGINT and EW efforts, as basically anything emitting signals is very likely to be military at that point, which will significantly aid in hunting down hidden assets and forces.

And when the landings do happen, you can also expect massive jamming, so good luck getting what surviving HIMARs to fire in time. And that’s not even considering targeting.

The whole HIMARs sale is massively hyped up, and is largely irrelevant from a military POV without western sensor assets acting as part of the kill chain like they are doing in Ukraine. So either the Americans are delusional in thinking China will allow them to play that game in Taiwan, or the HIMARs are little more than the modern equivalent of Hitler’s wunderwaffle V weapons only useful for terror bombing cities. I would say both likelihoods are equally likely and not mutually exclusive.
 

Zhejiang

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On the positive side, HIMARS didn't prove all that effective near full range (which isn't extreme, they aren't buying glsdb), and having 2k interceptors in vulnerable patch isn't that much of a problem.

Strait works both ways, Roc is rather unlucky in what their daddy produces is usually not really defensive.
300-370mm rockets would've worked for them way better. But US doesn't produce anything over 227.
That is true but the main problem is if the PLAGF land on Taiwan then the HIMARS do prove a challenge especially if you have over 100
 

drowingfish

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high urbanization provides HIMARS with numerous hiding places, such as underground parking lots.

Judging from historical lessons and ROCA's exercises, they show no concern for civilian casualties resulting from PLA counterattacks and may even deliberately seek such outcomes to gain international sympathy.
what underground parking lot can fit a HIMARS?
 

drowingfish

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ROC drove one of their 雄风 system to an underground parking of a hotel in one of their exercises.

PLAAF should just bomb the entrance of all underground parkings on the island.
i do wonder how practical that is in real life. lets say war starts, whatever missile or himars isnt going to just magically find their designated parking garage emptied of any vehicles that they will just be able to quickly hide into with whatever ammo. Also assuming they do get there, and remain undetected, what is the control measure to determine when they would come out to shoot? note that this will have to happen simultaneously with multiple launchers dispersed throughout the island, coordinating that kind of fire is a lot more than just typing on whatsapp "ok guys come out and shoot".

the other question being, what do you do after firing? if it is assumed that launcher location is compromised after firing, then it will have to move...again along with all the support vehicles etc. all of this seems not very well put together, a lot of things will have to go right for this to work and that doesnt tend to happen in a warzone.
 
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