PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

LanceD23

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1) If you have control over Taiwan’s airspace you don’t need that many troops at landing because Taiwan’s own ground forces can’t mass up to form a defensive line. No defensive line, no resistance.

2) “Some” losses are always expected in a fight. The key question is whether the losses impact your operation objectives. You seem to think a few losses is the same thing as complete defeat. The other side will take losses too. This is not a serious comment.

Your analysis isn’t very useful if it’s not grounded in real knowledge and understanding of how modern combat and military operations work. Comments like the US will cripple the PLA lobbing self guided missiles from 1000 km away are not grounded in reality. If you don’t know the basics you will generate nonsensical questions.
Go ahead you can bash my analysis but I know what's up with you refusing to answer whether you would abort if meeting resistance beyond certain time frame. Shallow.
Fancy analysis which is highly subjective is nothing without the bottomeline.
 
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latenlazy

Brigadier
Go ahead you can bash my analysis but I know what's up with you refusing to answer whether you would abort if meeting resistance beyond certain time frame. Shallow
What’s up is that I’m not wasting my time with questions that are frankly divorced from reality. You cannot generate useful questions and comments if you do not first have a basic understanding of the subject matter you’re trying to talk about, and you have shown persistently that you regurgitate a fictional understanding of the current force balance on the ground and how these weapons systems and the combat operations they’re tied to work. I ask you to show the math that Taiwan can last a month under blockade and you duck the request for some substantive analysis and instead of answering my request for substantiation you deflect and try to shift to some other point that you have also clearly decided not to do any concrete substantive analysis on (like whether the ROC can even defend a landing if it cannot mass ground forces against landing points because they’re exposed to aerial strikes).

What’s shallow is thinking that your fantasist arguments is informed conversation. You didn’t even bring in citations for the “US war simulations” you keep citing. Your contributions here are not a credible or productive. Show credible knowledge if you want to be taken seriously. Or don’t, but don’t fault the rest of us for finding your comments silly if you’re not here to actually present credible information and analysis.
 
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latenlazy

Brigadier
Still waiting for your bottomline.
How long you have to wait before you abort?
What bottom line lol. If China chooses to fight this war it is fighting it to the hilt and it is bringing the full force of its massive and still accumulating local force advantage against the US and Taiwan. There’s no backing out for the PLA. They haven’t investing in the mass of capabilities that they’ve built up over the last 30 years just to play chickenshit games when it’s go time. Your “stalemate” scenario has literally no concrete analysis behind it, just a vague reference to some US simulation that you haven’t cited directly which conveniently means we can’t study the details of the simulation or any of the specific claims you’re making. You seem only capable of talking fictional narratives and anytime anyone tries to bring in real details into the picture you get smarmy and shifty. How dare the rest of us scrutinize your hand wavey claims with facts eh?

The real world isn’t your fantasy head fiction. You should spend less time inventing fake abstract scenarios and presenting them as fake questions that you think people should take seriously and spend more time studying how real war fighting actually works. If you did that more maybe you wouldn’t try to spin arguments out of fictional ideas like missiles that can guide themselves for 1000 kms with no assistance or that Taiwan, a port dependent island that imports a large share of its food, can maintain its supply lines like Ukraine, a country with an entire western flank that is integrated with its allies and unreachable to its adversary.
 
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manqiangrexue

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In US war simulation, it describes the war lasts about 1 month.
What simulation? There are US simulations where they are obliterated by China.
You don't think Taiwan stored enough food and munitions for 1 month?
1. There is no 1 month deadline.
2. It's what they consume and what you can destroy and what goes bad without electricity.
It's absolutely need to do worst case scenario.
There is no such thing as a worst case scenario. Worst case scenario China implodes and we don't have to worry about Taiwan anymore.
If you don't take down Taiwan in 1 month, do you abort?
Uh... no. We go until we take it.
Or how long the stalemate lasts before you abort?
Who says there is a stalemate? We hit them until they surrender.
Or you are so confident about it you don't need to consider the possibility of stalemate.
Right. When I go step on a cockroach in my kitched, I don't consider the possibility it can fight me to a stalemate.
Man, this is recipe for disaster in real life.
You making up bullshit because of some "US simulation" is a disaster that is in your mind. Real life is under control.
I am not looking for your respect.
Nor are you going to be earning it from anyone here.
I am sticking to my own worst case analysis.
This does not qualify as analysis. This is what happens when a person knows nothing about military affairs tries to imagine a conflict based on some random analysis that is not even presented here.
So on record, you don't feel taiwan can last 1 month.
No. Days is a generous estimate given the amount of damage they will be taking.
I have few questions for you maybe that can help my analysis.
"Analysis" LOL
1) how many troops needed to land in order to take taiwan in planning.
A number that is less than what the CCP has and that number is reduced the more you use artillery and air strikes to clear the threat.
What you do if the actual troops landed is less than planned.2)if some military transport ships got sunk what would you do?
Analyze where the threat is coming from, kill it, summon more reserves.
You haven't answer if there's stalemate whether you would abort. 2 weeks or 1 month?
This is critical. If you don't have answer on this that's fine too.
Where's the time limit coming from? Russia's been fighting for 3 years. Fight until you win.
Go ahead you can bash my analysis
Not analysis; you don't have the basic knowledge to do analysis.
but I know what's up with you refusing to answer
Honestly it's because your questions are really stupid.
whether you would abort if meeting resistance beyond certain time frame.
No, there is no time limit except the one you imagined.
There is nothing here more shallow than you pretending to "analyze" but with clearly no military knowledge.
Fancy analysis which is highly subjective is nothing without the bottomeline.
Blah, blah, blah. Still waiting for your bottomline.
How long you have to wait before you abort?
The bottom line is to fight until we win. We have already declared to the US that over Taiwan, we will trade every city with America in a nuclear exchange. There is no time limit and there is no abort option. It's WWIII if necessary.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Urban fortresses like Bakmut, chasiv yar bogged down Russian force for very long time. Let alone like Taipei.

It has nothing to do with size of territory.
Urkianinans been fighting there without electricity.
You can stop oil and natural gas into Taiwan but food and water , I think Taiwan troops can find or stored. It's allies can bring food, water, medicine from east side. China cannot blockade on the east due to threat.

Attack but don't invade Taiwan island
Blockade till the people in tawain surrender willingly
Let's assume you are correct and aid ships can reach Taiwan.

Let's assume that these ships are even able to unload.

OK. How do you bring the aid from the east side to the west side where 90% of the population is?

Each person drinks 2 liters of water a day. Once water treatment plants - which are big, stationary and open structures - are destroyed, that means Taiwan needs ~40 million liters of water per day. That is only to drink - no toilet, no washing, nothing but drinking.

A typical tanker truck holds 40k liters of liquid.

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You need 1000 tanker trucks going back and forth between the east and west coast every single day just to keep Taiwanese population alive with water. No food, no ammo, no medicine, just water.

Tanker trucks has fuel efficiency of 40 liters per 100 km.

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Taiwan is about 100 km across. You need 80 L of fuel every day per truck - 80k liters total - every single day - just to keep water up.

You cannot lose even a single truck or people die of thirst.

There are 3 main highways from east to west, 1 of which is a narrow mountain road. Can they even fit 1000 trucks every day going back and forth? Have you ever seen even 10 tanker trucks in a row, let alone 1000?

You also need ships bringing in ~40 million liters of water every day, because water treatment plants get bombed. 40 million liters of water is 40k tons. That's an oil tanker worth of water, every day. Lose 1 and it's over.
 
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latenlazy

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Let's assume you are correct and aid ships can reach Taiwan.

Let's assume that these ships are even able to unload.

OK. How do you bring the aid from the east side to the west side where 90% of the population is?

Each person drinks 2 liters of water a day. Once water treatment plants - which are big, stationary and open structures - are destroyed, that means Taiwan needs ~40 million liters of water per day. That is only to drink - no toilet, no washing, nothing but drinking.

A typical tanker truck holds 40k liters of liquid.

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You need 1000 tanker trucks going back and forth between the east and west coast every single day just to keep Taiwanese population alive with water. No food, no ammo, no medicine, just water.

Tanker trucks has fuel efficiency of 40 liters per 100 km.

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Taiwan is about 100 km across. You need 80 L of fuel every day per truck - 80k liters total - every single day - just to keep water up.

You cannot lose even a single truck or people die of thirst.

There are 3 main highways from east to west, 1 of which is a narrow mountain road. Can they even fit 1000 trucks every day going back and forth? Have you ever seen even 10 tanker trucks in a row, let alone 1000?

Furthermore if Taiwan loses control over its airspace but its eastern ports are still open those 3 highways are extremely easy and soft targets. They’re not staying open. Oh now the US will have to contest Taiwan’s airspace? What happened to hit and run from 1000 km away?
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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Furthermore if Taiwan loses control over its airspace but its eastern ports are still open those 3 highways are extremely easy and soft targets. They’re not saying open. Oh now the US will have to contest Taiwan’s airspace? What happened to hit and run from 1000 km away?
in fact they not only have to contest the air, they need air supremacy over the entire length of those highways. Even a 10 km stretch of mere air superiority is enough for air mining or FPV drones to stop tanker trucks.

They can't lose even a single tanker truck without replacement because 40k gallons is 20k people's water for the day and the average person can only survive 3-5 days without water; on average, that's 4k people reaching physiological limits.

and that is just to keep the Taiwanese population drinking water. Not eating, not fighting, just staying alive with drinking water.
 

latenlazy

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in fact they not only have to contest the air, they need air supremacy over the entire length of those highways. Even a 10 km stretch of mere air superiority is enough for air mining or FPV drones to stop tanker trucks.

They can't lose even a single tanker truck without replacement because 40k gallons is 20k people's water for the day and the average person can only survive 3-5 days without water; on average, that's 4k people reaching physiological limits.

and that is just to keep the Taiwanese population drinking water. Not eating, not fighting, just staying alive with drinking water.
I mean realistically if Taiwan loses control over its airspace those eastern ports aren’t staying open anyways, even if the PLAN couldn’t blockade them outright. The whole scenario being suggested is just detached from today’s military realities. If the US wants to hang back taking potshots 1000 km away it’s not going to be a factor in the area where the fighting actually matters for the objectives at hand. Even if they could land a few hits playing standoff “hit and run” to the total amount of damage they could inflict would be tiny relative to what they would need to do to slow the PLA down in the part of the fight that matters, over Taiwan’s local geography, never mind trying to “win”.
 
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