Wonder how they’ll react when they see their first drone.
PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency
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I have some anecdotal knowledge about this. I live in the US, and in 2023 I met a White American who spent around 8 months out of the year living in Taiwan for work. He was invited to one of these events just for fun, and an opportunity to screw around for an hour.
- Nobody actually takes these events seriously. Because of the White Terror, being a Couch Commando (my words) is a social taboo. If you add "China' to the mix, then it becomes a more socially acceptable to just talk about military and war.
- Taiwan has a sizable BB gun sub-culture. These events are more like modern military LARP'ing events, with a few mega-nerds who wanted to talk about guns and tanks all day.
- The overwhelming majority of people at the event believed America would come and save them, even if the true goal was just to spite China. The ones who didn't believe this leaned more towards disbelief in any invasion than any opinions about China or the US.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
The Wanwans love to claim that they are the ones keeping Chinese culture alive. While most of us have laughed that notion off in the past, I have now come to the conclusion that they might be partially right and we wrong.
Taiwan has managed to distill, refine and preserve the rare combination of peak arrogance, incompetence, delusion and utterly unwarranted boastful pride of the late Qing, and indeed most Chinese dynasties, in their final days of irreversible terminal collapse.
It is a rare achievement and serves a valuable purpose of reminding all Chinese that modern China’s power and place in the world is not ordained or guaranteed by divine right, but earned through hard work, discipline and self sacrifice.
Maybe 1C2S would be the way to go with Taiwan after reunification after all, to keep the lesson alive for future generations to teach the same lesson.
With pan-green continuing to adopt the head-in-sand position and playing the game of how best to mistranslate what Trump said, I decided to head to pan-blue to see what they're saying. Julian Kuo/郭正亮 was talking calls from his audience and to be honest the sort of question they were raising was so pragmatic that even I was taken back by them.
Q: After Peaceful Reunification, would CPC allow Taiwan to establish a memorial to ROC? Would we be considered conquered people to be laughed at by our descendants?
Kuo: I cannot say because these future details would depend on the terms negotiated between ROC and PRC. If you would like these terms you would need to fight for them at the negotiation table. We cannot go any deeper into this until this process starts.
Q: Once Taiwan is done, the party to negotiate final terms may not be KMT but DPP. Because once ROC is no more KMT would no longer have any reason to exist. DPP however can repackage themselves as the party who "avoided the war and would now like to negotiate terms to best preserve Taiwanese people's life style". Sort of Taiwan version of "Only Nixon could go to China". Kuo as someone experience in politics do you feel this is true?
Kuo: the truth is there are people from both side of politics who would angle themselves for that. Not everyone is like Ma Ying-jeou and KMT has plenty of people that can slide into that negotiation role. I think when the time comes, there will be both KMT and DPP people who could change tone overnight and repackage themselves as "negotiators on behalf of Taiwanese people". These people would all be current politicians and you will be surprised at some of those names when they make themselves known. True believes in ROC would not be among them. Don't worry about who's who CPC has a very good idea on who can be counted on and who can't.
Q: I see that disappointed DPP supporters are discussing that should the two countries be unified China would go under a new name (neither ROC or PRC), I thought that's funny.
Kuo: they're dreaming. It will continue to be called PRC. PRC's name can be shortened to China just fine. At best CPC might allow Taiwan to refer to itself as just "China" instead of PRC for cultural sensibility reasons.
Q: Qing would not accept the existence of "Southern Ming" as a legitimate state, even if Southern Ming would proclaim there to be two independent states and that Ming still exists even during the reign of Emperor Kangxi. But nevertheless against a greater power they would eventually be crushed under the wheels of time.
Kuo: I get what you are trying to say. That is of course accepted orthodox historical view at a high level that Ming dynasty ended when Emperor Chongzhen hanged himself in Beijing. But nevertheless Southern Ming did exist as a political reality after that point. And in today's situation we have to consider international factors. My field is political science not history so I have to take the view of politics on the ground.
You can see Kuo adapts the view that ROC did not end in 1949 and still exists, even if he accepts that by Chinese history orthodoxy when the grand history of ROC is written by PRC the history books will say it ended in 1949 and the period between 1949 and 20XX Taiwan was a province in rebellion, just like how Qing has written about Ming's history.
The kind of question people are asking is quite something, already at bargaining or acceptance stage.
Q: After Peaceful Reunification, would CPC allow Taiwan to establish a memorial to ROC? Would we be considered conquered people to be laughed at by our descendants?
Kuo: I cannot say because these future details would depend on the terms negotiated between ROC and PRC. If you would like these terms you would need to fight for them at the negotiation table. We cannot go any deeper into this until this process starts.
Q: Once Taiwan is done, the party to negotiate final terms may not be KMT but DPP. Because once ROC is no more KMT would no longer have any reason to exist. DPP however can repackage themselves as the party who "avoided the war and would now like to negotiate terms to best preserve Taiwanese people's life style". Sort of Taiwan version of "Only Nixon could go to China". Kuo as someone experience in politics do you feel this is true?
Kuo: the truth is there are people from both side of politics who would angle themselves for that. Not everyone is like Ma Ying-jeou and KMT has plenty of people that can slide into that negotiation role. I think when the time comes, there will be both KMT and DPP people who could change tone overnight and repackage themselves as "negotiators on behalf of Taiwanese people". These people would all be current politicians and you will be surprised at some of those names when they make themselves known. True believes in ROC would not be among them. Don't worry about who's who CPC has a very good idea on who can be counted on and who can't.
Q: I see that disappointed DPP supporters are discussing that should the two countries be unified China would go under a new name (neither ROC or PRC), I thought that's funny.
Kuo: they're dreaming. It will continue to be called PRC. PRC's name can be shortened to China just fine. At best CPC might allow Taiwan to refer to itself as just "China" instead of PRC for cultural sensibility reasons.
Q: Qing would not accept the existence of "Southern Ming" as a legitimate state, even if Southern Ming would proclaim there to be two independent states and that Ming still exists even during the reign of Emperor Kangxi. But nevertheless against a greater power they would eventually be crushed under the wheels of time.
Kuo: I get what you are trying to say. That is of course accepted orthodox historical view at a high level that Ming dynasty ended when Emperor Chongzhen hanged himself in Beijing. But nevertheless Southern Ming did exist as a political reality after that point. And in today's situation we have to consider international factors. My field is political science not history so I have to take the view of politics on the ground.
You can see Kuo adapts the view that ROC did not end in 1949 and still exists, even if he accepts that by Chinese history orthodoxy when the grand history of ROC is written by PRC the history books will say it ended in 1949 and the period between 1949 and 20XX Taiwan was a province in rebellion, just like how Qing has written about Ming's history.
The kind of question people are asking is quite something, already at bargaining or acceptance stage.
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Link to the video?
It's always fascinating to see dumb tanks like the Atlantic Council make self-righteous "if A, then B" assumptions, only to look like clowns just a few years later.
The questions are to the end
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is it exclusive to UK media?
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Thanks bud.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Trump to Taiwan: No Problem. We will not be protecting you