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latenlazy

Brigadier
4. He is a pundit who will correct you every time that "Type 022 doesn't exist, it is called Type 22." "Type 052DL is not real, it is still called Type 052D." "You shouldn't say 003 is a 80000 ton CV, we use normal displacement within navy."

By referring 6000 ton class destroyer, he is actually suggesting that there is no such thing as 052DL, still 052D in designation. Pundit behavior on micro details.
Good example of this is how he’s consistently referred to the 055 as 10k ton class.
 

symplectic

New Member
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The 055 is about 13k tons, right?

So yeah, referring it as 10k ton class, is eh...
I don't think "10k ton class" is an exact translation of pop3's words. I believe what he said was "万吨舰". The single chinese character "万" means "10k". An exact translation should be something like "a warship with a tonnage more than 10k". In the years before 055 was revealed, lots of PLAN fanboys believed the next generation "target warship" should have a tonnage of 8k or 9k. So I think this can be a good evidence for his credibility.
 

lcloo

Captain
The 055 is about 13k tons, right?

So yeah, referring it as 10k ton class, is eh...
In Chinese, they referred type 055 as a "wan" class, meaning anything from 10,000 to 99,999. i.e. a displacement class with five digit number. The 10K class translation from the Chinese description is not entirely correct because there is no direct English trnslation of "wan" or 万吨。
 

Temstar

Brigadier
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I don't think "10k ton class" is an exact translation of pop3's words. I believe what he said was "万吨舰". The single chinese character "万" means "10k". An exact translation should be something like "a warship with a tonnage more than 10k". In the years before 055 was revealed, lots of PLAN fanboys believed the next generation "target warship" should have a tonnage of 8k or 9k. So I think this can be a good evidence for his credibility.
9000 tons was the guess for 055, in fact 055 had a nickname back then called "九千岁" or "9000 years", an infamous self-granted title to a powerful Ming dynasty eunuch to show he was the second most powerful person after the emperor, as one of the emperor's title is "ten thousand years". This was actually quite a profound nickname because besides being a guess at the displacement it indicated a mental barrier that China is unable to build a destroyer exceeding the capability of Arleigh Burke, including displacement. But nevertheless the ship was still expected to be very good hence "9000 years" nickname was also an expectation that it will be the second most powerful destroyer in the world after Arleigh Burke.

Someone who would refer to 055 as a 10,000 ton class while the "9000 years" nickname was still popular was both someone with a more accurate estimate of the size and capability, as well as someone who've broken through the mental barrier of China being second place in the world in destroyer building and is saying "look at me, I am the emperor now". If indeed he was saying that at the time he's likely to have access to inside information.
 

stannislas

Junior Member
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Addition to what others are talking about:

Here are some of the honoring certificates and awarding certificates received by pop3 alongside his military ID during his working period:
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but you should trace his records over time as well. He used to have really good reacords, but if my memory is not faded, he started to make a lot of false cliams even before cjdby got shut down, and this is also one of the reason he is relative silence in the past few years
 

Kalec

Junior Member
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but you should trace his records over time as well. He used to have really good reacords, but if my memory is not faded, he started to make a lot of false cliams even before cjdby got shut down, and this is also one of the reason he is relative silence in the past few years
He is not in relative silence but actively discuss why Deng bad Mao good for at least 5 years and get banned everywhere for his political statement, however it shouldn't be discussed in this thread.

Generally he is very reliable but plan could change abruptly just like Type 003 was planned to have steam catapult then all of sudden the construction stopped the catapult system changed. Btw Pop3 is first one disclosing Type 076 before everyone else and the first auction information came out like three years later.
 
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