Jura The idiot
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LOL haven't seen this yet:
PLA Navy news, pics and videos
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Apart from this bit of course.... 'Russian military ships were also detected in the contiguous zone between 9:50 p.m. Wednesday and 3:05 a.m. Thursday local time'
joshuatree
Captain
Actually been wanting but was busy all day yesterday. Glad you are able to post it. My comment would be how is this a problem since Japan does not disagree with the US's argument of FON? It's not the territorial waters 12 NM and less. UNCLOS doesn't explicitly list any conditions regarding the contiguous zone so it would fall under the guidelines of an EEZ. And the US routinely sends their ABs into others' EEZ to patrol and conduct surveillance. Infact, what Japan is alarmed about would be along the lines of what China has been jostling with the US on.
Nope. But Japan can put some ASM batteries there if PRC wants to do so in SCS. Talk about twisted logic. On both sides if that would happen of course.
Another thought about the possible 054A upgrades:
I have the feeling that many chinese enthusiasts and also China itself is kinda obsessed with upgrading or creating additional platforms with higher capabilities instead of just integrating new generations of ordnance.
The talk about wanting to upgrade the already fairly multirole, and presumably Mk48-sized VLS of the 054A at least sounds like it.
Lets look at what the West usually do: The Arleigh Burkes are getting upgraded with successive blocks of SM-2s, each of them extending their ranges far above any HHQ-9 variant we know of, the new SM-6, new SM-3 blocks and soon the LRASM etc. All while not changing a bit about the general weapon layout and mounts on those Burkes. Similiarily in the Air field: The Japanese F-15Js, by all accounts and comparisson a pretty mediocre fighter nearing obsolescence compared with the new J-11/16 variants, still could best even the J-20 by the mere virture of their AESA equipped AAM-4B missiles.
See what I mean? I know this sounds like an unpopular opinion, but it is somehow very frustrating to see how it looks like that China has to create entirely new platforms with new weapon standards/VLS just to beat the "Block X" variant of a decade old weapon of the West. The disparity of cost and effort doesnt seem to be favoring China.
This is why, I think China should rather concentrate on bringing as many older platforms into competitiveness by integrating new ordnace that use existing weapon mounts and launchers. Of course sensor/FCS upgrade is needed in most cases, but sometimes datalinks should already be enough. I mean, I see no real reason why, for example, the J-8IIFs shouldnt become PL-15/21 launching platforms, even if their radars cant detect anything outside of 75km: China has a decently sized AWACS/AEW&C force now that would make 'distributed lethality' viable, if only the Finbacks receive the appropriate datalinks. I mean, why should the PL-15 only be limited to the J-20 and later Flanker versions?
Same with the 054As. Why shouldnt they be able to fire a ramjet powered (to off set cell length limitation, for example) active radar guided HHQ-16 variant with ranges of over 200km?
I think China is too much concemtrating on the Bow and often ignore the Arrows in their modernization drive.
A look at what various nations did with their ancient F-4 Phantoms should be indicative of the growth potential of old platforms.
I have the feeling that many chinese enthusiasts and also China itself is kinda obsessed with upgrading or creating additional platforms with higher capabilities instead of just integrating new generations of ordnance.
The talk about wanting to upgrade the already fairly multirole, and presumably Mk48-sized VLS of the 054A at least sounds like it.
Lets look at what the West usually do: The Arleigh Burkes are getting upgraded with successive blocks of SM-2s, each of them extending their ranges far above any HHQ-9 variant we know of, the new SM-6, new SM-3 blocks and soon the LRASM etc. All while not changing a bit about the general weapon layout and mounts on those Burkes. Similiarily in the Air field: The Japanese F-15Js, by all accounts and comparisson a pretty mediocre fighter nearing obsolescence compared with the new J-11/16 variants, still could best even the J-20 by the mere virture of their AESA equipped AAM-4B missiles.
See what I mean? I know this sounds like an unpopular opinion, but it is somehow very frustrating to see how it looks like that China has to create entirely new platforms with new weapon standards/VLS just to beat the "Block X" variant of a decade old weapon of the West. The disparity of cost and effort doesnt seem to be favoring China.
This is why, I think China should rather concentrate on bringing as many older platforms into competitiveness by integrating new ordnace that use existing weapon mounts and launchers. Of course sensor/FCS upgrade is needed in most cases, but sometimes datalinks should already be enough. I mean, I see no real reason why, for example, the J-8IIFs shouldnt become PL-15/21 launching platforms, even if their radars cant detect anything outside of 75km: China has a decently sized AWACS/AEW&C force now that would make 'distributed lethality' viable, if only the Finbacks receive the appropriate datalinks. I mean, why should the PL-15 only be limited to the J-20 and later Flanker versions?
Same with the 054As. Why shouldnt they be able to fire a ramjet powered (to off set cell length limitation, for example) active radar guided HHQ-16 variant with ranges of over 200km?
I think China is too much concemtrating on the Bow and often ignore the Arrows in their modernization drive.
A look at what various nations did with their ancient F-4 Phantoms should be indicative of the growth potential of old platforms.
I don't know, but I think the problem is that it's difficult to get clear information about the new ordinance under development. There have been alot of rumors and discussions on H-16G, H-16C, H-9B/C, China's version of ESSM etc. It's easier for us to see ship hulls and air-frames, but not so easy to spot the "Arrows."