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Salvationist

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Damn the PLA and China for being a peace-loving country. Maybe if they invaded everyone and got constant hard experience with getting shot at, then none of these issues would persist.

But since that's clearly not the case, ragging on a bunch of greens for every single fuck up isn't going to improve their training. Especially points that have been called out for the last couple of hundred pages. At this point, might as well just close this thread since it's constant complaining over the same shit again and again every few pages rather than showing new stuff.

Training and gear are improving, but malpractice within 3 million troops doesn't magically disappear overnight ot even within a few years. Especially when you're transitioning everyone into a more disciplined force.
I mean simple things like this is not rocket science, and lack of trigger/muzzle discipline is a bad sign. As a military that has been unproven they will be held to a higher standard.
 

QIUSIYU

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Damn the PLA and China for being a peace-loving country. Maybe if they invaded everyone and got constant hard experience with getting shot at, then none of these issues would persist.

But since that's clearly not the case, ragging on a bunch of greens for every single fuck up isn't going to improve their training. Especially points that have been called out for the last couple of hundred pages. At this point, might as well just close this thread since it's constant complaining over the same shit again and again every few pages rather than showing new stuff.

Training and gear are improving, but malpractice within 3 million troops doesn't magically disappear overnight ot even within a few years. Especially when you're transitioning everyone into a more disciplined force.
Because some people on this forum like to do this to satisfy their sense of superiority.
 

Blitzo

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Damn the PLA and China for being a peace-loving country. Maybe if they invaded everyone and got constant hard experience with getting shot at, then none of these issues would persist.

But since that's clearly not the case, ragging on a bunch of greens for every single fuck up isn't going to improve their training. Especially points that have been called out for the last couple of hundred pages. At this point, might as well just close this thread since it's constant complaining over the same shit again and again every few pages rather than showing new stuff.

Training and gear are improving, but malpractice within 3 million troops doesn't magically disappear overnight ot even within a few years. Especially when you're transitioning everyone into a more disciplined force.

I do think that there are basic infantry competencies which could be mitigated through a more centralised, regimented training syllabus.

No one expects all of them to be "operators" but if they are frontline combat infantry in their respective echelons, then things like trigger discipline and optics placement should be relatively primary stuff in the same sense as treating every firearm as loaded.


I do agree there's no reason to excessively bemoan it every time it is identified, but also I don't see an issue with identifying and critiquing it.
 

Blitzo

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It often times do get excessive though.

There is a difference between saying "we get it, they need better training and are displaying incompetence, but you're laying it on a bit thick" versus excusing their incompetence.

The former is fine, but if it is paired with excusing displayed incompetence then that just undermines the whole effort.

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The nature of this kind of mistake does mean that criticisms of these issues have the privilege to be more sardonic and venomous, while defending it really have no leg to stand on and have to be a bit more sullen and accept that really there's no excuse for that kind of basic incompetence except for "they should be better".

However, @by78 every time this happens you lay it on too thick.

We get it now. Stop making this a whole drama every time this sort of picture emerges, because it is getting very old and tiring for the rest of us.
 
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by78

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Why is this seemingly such a common mistake? It even happened with a US Navy photoshoot. Surely it would be easy to tell if the scope was backwards?

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It's very easy to tell when your optic is mounted backwards when you look through the scope. That naval officer very likely received rudimentary firearm training while at the academy or in NROTC decades ago and never touched a gun again in official capacity, much less having experience with LPVOs, which are not widely issued to naval personnel. It's not a huge surprise that he put it on backwards. However, it's inexcusable for a regular army grunt to mount a standard issue, widely available non-LPVO optic backwards. A rifle is an infantryman's primary weapon, and he ought to practice trigger discipline and know how to properly mount his vanilla scope, just as a plumber should know how to use a wrench or a car mechanic should know how to change oil.
 
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