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so I hurried through NYT and WaPo but I saw in both an article with a remark that if Russia were to send aircraft to Syria to attack IS this would complicate the activities of US and its allies

Putin is having a coup here. With the current US admin's relative inaction...but with the humanitarian crisis, destruction of antiquities, and the ongoing conflict with no definitive progress...Russia is imply saying, in effect, "we will come in and do what others are unwilling to do."

This is something the US will have to either respond to, or be further relegated to impotency in the circumstance.

The correct way to respond, IMHO, would be to team up with Putin and make the attacks on ISIS even more effective and devastating.

I really want to see that happen as well however I seriously doubt the the us administration would cooperate with the russkis. Too much political baggage would come from said partnership even if just temporary.
To 'side' with the Russians would also be perceived as pro Iran and Obama would get way too much heat for that. Then there are also the Saudis, turkey and other gulf states which would most likely object to such an agreement.

Gents, I dare guess this may be another area were we see ourselves driven into a corner? I've already seen news reports of how the US requested Greece not to allow russian cargo flight through it's airspace towards Syria.
The Russian engagement against ISIS, while I'm sure as such would be welcomed, has of course a totally different direction. It is to empower Assad forces, not to topple them, which is indeed concurrent with Iranian (and Hezbollah) intentions and runs counter to North American / European statements of intent from the past. After Assad hasn't been decisively removed a while back, I think the situation is now at a point were he indeed can be seen as the least bad outcome.

That would require the political will to declare he's the least cruel option, even though the last part is perhaps the most difficult to spell out.

Pragmaticly engaging with the Russians here may give them some sense of significance and open new room on the ukrainian issue.

Then there's the problem of how to satisfy the Gulf States & Turkey. But, I personally believe it has become a problem of trying to please to many sides at the same time.
 
Then there's the problem of how to satisfy the Gulf States & Turkey. But, I personally believe it has become a problem of trying to please to many sides at the same time.

When a side's preferred "option" is to take a country or region back to a violent intolerant religious extremist version of the Middle Ages then I don't think they deserve to be catered to at all, especially by the US.
 

broadsword

Brigadier
It will be interesting to see how the US responds to the Russian initiative, whether it is with pragmatism or ideology. The US doctrine toward Russia seems to be one of denial of Russia of opportunity to expand its influence. So I think it will take a lot of political will to cooperate with Russia in bombing the terrorists because to do so will mean giving the Russians more clout in the region and make them more righteous because they will be seen as pushing back the vile consequences of Arab Spring.
 
It will be interesting to see how the US responds to the Russian initiative, whether it is with pragmatism or ideology. The US doctrine toward Russia seems to be one of denial of Russia of opportunity to expand its influence. So I think it will take a lot of political will to cooperate with Russia in bombing the terrorists because to do so will mean giving the Russians more clout in the region and make them more righteous because they will be seen as pushing back the vile consequences of Arab Spring.

It took Richard Nixon to turn US policy around regarding China, will it take Donald Trump to turn US policy around regarding the Middle East?
 
Just as overt external military meddling in Syria is gearing up it is important to be reminded of what happened, and is happening, to Libya:

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Foreign fighter influx raises likelihood of Islamic State controlling smuggling routes and fighting in Libya's Murzuq basin
IHS Jane's Country Risk Daily Report
08 September 2015

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The Islamic State released on 8 September pictures purportedly showing the beheaded body of a Libyan National Army (LNA) soldier captured the previous day during the group's offensive on al-Nawaqya, 20 kilometres (km) southwest of Benghazi.

The offensive was repelled by the LNA and resulted in eight LNA soldiers killed and 15 injured. Despite that, Islamic State appears to have regained the initiative in Libya after experiencing a military setback in Derna and a failed popular uprising against its control of Sirte.

Since early September, fighting between the Islamic State and the LNA has intensified in Benghazi, where jihadist militants are now the main fighting force having almost completely supplanted the local Islamist militias.

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ShahryarHedayat

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Russia said to get Iran's clearance for Syria-bound flights

MOSCOW (AP) — Iran has granted permission for Russian planes to fly over its territory en route to Syria, Russian news agencies said Wednesday, a bypass needed after Bulgaria refused overflights amid signs of a Russian military buildup in Syria that has concerned the U.S. and NATO.


The news agencies quoted Maxim Suslov, spokesman for the Russian Embassy in Tehran, as saying it has received Iranian permission for Syria-bound flights. After Bulgaria rejected Moscow's overflight request for Sept. 1-24, a path via Iran and Iraq appeared to be the only one left, as Russia apparently sought to avoid flying over Turkey, which in 2012 grounded a Syria-bound plane carrying radar parts from Moscow.

The controversy over the Russian flights comes amid signs of increased Russian military presence in Syria. Moscow, which has backed Syrian President Bashar Assad throughout the nation's 4½-year civil war, said its military experts are in the country to train its military to use Russian weapons.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova accused the West of creating "strange hysteria" over Russian activities in Syria, saying that Moscow has been openly supplying weapons and sending military specialists there for a long time.

"Russia has never made a secret of its military-technical cooperation with Syria," she said, adding she could "confirm and repeat once again that Russian military specialists are in Syria to help them master the weapons being supplied."

President Vladimir Putin and other Russian officials have sought to cast arms supplies to Assad's regime as part of international efforts to combat the Islamic State group and other militant organizations in Syria.

Putin hasn't ruled out a bigger role. Asked Friday if Russia could deploy its troops to Syria to help fight IS, he said "we are looking at various options."

By playing with the idea of joining the U.S.-led coalition fighting IS, Putin may hope to reset ties with the West, which have been shattered by the Ukrainian crisis, and also protect Moscow's influence in Syria, where it has a navy base. But the U.S. and its allies have seen Assad as the cause of the Syrian crisis, and Washington has warned Moscow against beefing up its presence.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry spoke to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on Wednesday for a second time in five days. U.S. State Department spokesman John Kirby said Kerry "reiterated our concern about these reports of Russia military buildup," adding if they are true, it could lead "lead to greater violence and even more instability" in Syria.

Indicating a continuing rift, the Russian Foreign Ministry said that Lavrov on the call emphasized Syrian government troops' role in confronting extremist groups and the need to take consolidated action.

On Wednesday, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg also said the alliance is concerned about reports about Russia's increased military presence in Syria. He didn't offer details.

A U.S. defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to publicly discuss the issue, said the U.S. has seen the Russians fly a variety of military assets into the airfield south of the Syrian city of Latakia, including troops capable of protecting Russian forces there and modular housing units. He said it indicated that the Russians are preparing for some sort of air operations. The official said he was unaware of any evidence that Russian forces have conducted any offensive military operations in Syria.

Another U.S. official briefed on the latest intelligence declined to confirm or deny whether Russian troops have participated in military operations in Syria. However, he said, U.S. intelligence agencies have assessed that Russia's deployment of military personnel and weapons to Syria reflect growing concern about Assad's ability to weather opposition gains — and it suggests that Moscow may be willing to intervene directly on Assad's behalf.

Russia's military involvement raises a number of concerns, the U.S. official said, especially because it does not appear to be coordinated with the other countries operating in the area. It is not clear what Russia intends to actually do, he said.

One Lebanese politician said on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue that some Russian forces already have taken part in some small-scale operations in Syria, possibly paving way for broader military action against IS, including airstrikes, in the future. He provided no details, and other Lebanese politicians contested the claim, saying the Russians haven't joined the fray yet.

Another Lebanese politician familiar with the issue, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't in a position to publicly discuss the subject, said there are Russian experts and, possibly, pilots, in Syria, but no full-fledged fighting force yet.

"There are experts and there are also crews for advanced equipment," he said. "They have no fighting forces on the ground."

"Russia is a partner in the war," the politician added. "Russia from the beginning told several officials, including Lebanese, that defending Damascus is like defending Moscow. It will do what is needed."

Hisham Jaber, a retired Lebanese army general familiar with the Syrian military, also said Russian military experts have been in Syria for a long time.

"Every time Syria gets new weapons, Russian experts come to train them (Syrians) on these weapons," Jaber said. "Because of current situation in Syria, these experts need protection and special forces are in Syria to protect advanced weapons and to protect the Russian experts who train Syrians. There are plans to build a military air base in the coastal town of Jable."

Jaber said the Syrian coast is a "red line for the regime and the Russians," and it's threatened now after the fall of the northwestern town of Jisr al-Shughour earlier this year into the hands of al-Qaida fighters and their allies. Over the past weeks, militants have shelled the coastal city of Latakia. Jisr al-Shughour is only 50 kilometers (30 miles) away.

"The Russians will not allow the fall of the Syrian coast because of the naval base and the planned air base," Jaber said.

"Until this moment, there are no Russian forces fighting on the ground," he added. "There are experts everywhere, who sometimes give advice in operations rooms to Syrian forces."

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov criticized Washington for refusing to cooperate with the Syrian government in the fight against the IS.

"The basis for action of the U.S.-led anti-IS coalition is flawed, because it should at the very least involve cooperation with the countries on whose turf this battle is being fought," he said, according to Russian news agencies. "When our American colleagues manage to understand that there are global problems that can't be solved without Russia, we will be able to cooperate."

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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Russia has confirmed it has troops on the ground

Either way you look at it Putin is showing how much he will stand up for Assad

The Alawites and Russian ties go back to old Soviet days and it's being tested to the limit right now and I think Russia is going to go the distance on this one and take Assad to Moscow if all fails
 

ShahryarHedayat

Junior Member
US sanctions aim at Saudi-Hamas finance link

Washington (AFP) - New US Treasury sanctions Thursday took aim at financial links between Saudi Arabia and the Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas, which the US labels a terrorist group.

The Treasury named Hamas political bureau member Saleh Aruri; Saudi-based Hamas financier Mahir Salah; Abu-Ubaydah Khayri Hafiz Al-Agha, a Saudi citizen and "senior Hamas financial officer"; and al-Agha's company Asyaf International Holding Group for sanctions.

It said Aruri has since 2013 "overseen the distribution of Hamas finances" and works closely with Salah.

Salah, a dual British and Jordanian citizen, has led the Hamas Finance Committee in Saudi Arabia, which the Treasury called "the largest center of Hamas's financial activity."

"As of late 2014, Salah managed several front companies in Saudi Arabia that conducted money laundering activities for Hamas," it added.

Al-Agha and his company, meanwhile, are "involved in investment, funding, and money transfers for Hamas in Saudi Arabia."

The Treasury also named Egyptian Mohammed Reda Mohammed Anwar Awad, a money exchange owner who has transferred funds to Hamas, to the sanctions blacklist.

The sanctions freeze all assets of the designated individuals and company that are in the United States and forbid any US individual or company from doing business with them.

That could put pressure on any Saudi or other financial institutions processing dollars through US offices or associates for those on the blacklist.
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