Peak Oil, Resource Depletion, deminishing EROEI and the long term implications for the continued development of China...

solarz

Brigadier
Even if we solved fusion tomorrow and scaled up in a week, hypothetically....

There is still an upperbound to the energy cap that earth can sustain...

The issue isnt that fusion energy isnt possible, its we will never make the transition in time... big difference between what the earth can theortically sustain and whether or not we can ever get there in the first place before dieoff/collapse

Look at all the damage humans have wreaked ecologically to planet earth just in last 50 years and you think there is no scientific evidence of overpopulation? This is akin to climate change denial

So what is your scientific cap of Earth population? Do you have a number?

Where did the damage to the planet come from in the last 50 years? Actually, the damage started more like 150 years ago with the industrial revolution. London used to be covered in smog due to coal usage, then they switched to natural gas. Only 10 years ago, Beijing was covered in smog. Then the government instituted car bans, started enforcing industrial emission standards, built an HSR, and heavily promoted electric vehicles. Look at where Beijing is today. That's only a short 10 years.

You don't need fusion to tackle pollution.
 

solarz

Brigadier
It is not about price or just money economics. Current renewables are economically subsidized by governments and energy subsidized by the existing cheap oil infrastructure... once we try to ramp up in alternatives and renrwables we will hit the insurmountable scalability wall as it becomes more and more expsensive to continue the transition away from fossil fuels

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Its not about just price but rather energy density and EROEI threshold... modern civilization requires a threshold of 15 to thrive...

I have to laugh at your graphic. So without fossil fuel, the world will have to run on corn ethanol?

Why not show us the ratio for nuclear energy, natural gas (far less polluting than coal), and hydroelectricity?
 

quantumlight

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I have to laugh at your graphic. So without fossil fuel, the world will have to run on corn ethanol?

Why not show us the ratio for nuclear energy, natural gas (far less polluting than coal), and hydroelectricity?
Ethanol is essentially a net energy sink, we use oil to grow corn then use more energy to convert corn back to fuel... it is a backwards idea like opening refrigerator door to try to cool the house cause the AC broke
 

gelgoog

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Even as far as biofuels go there are better alternatives than corn ethanol. Bioethanol from sugar cane and Biodiesel from palm oil are a lot more effective.

If petroleum based fuels, for whatever reason, became expensive the most likely alternative would be gas to liquids from natural gas to diesel. Qatar, for example, has a massive facility to do precisely that.
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Gas to liquids and coal to liquids could basically provide the fuel needed for aviation and military applications where you need high energy density and cost doesn't matter as much. The rest of the vehicle fleet could run on a mix of natural gas and electric vehicles.
 

hashtagpls

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But bitcoin also serves to mask the symptoms of the infinite printing of fiat currency and it is meant to forestall the impeding implosion of the US dollar... as more and more suckers become digital millionaires or even cryptobillionaries via the rise of bitcoin and other alt coins, like all pyramid schemes it encourages the latecomers, the average everyday joe six packs to forego spending their dollars and "invest" them into bitcoin, having the net effect in society of discouraging real consumption and encouraging holding phantom wealth that will disappear once the elites have converted all their dollars into other real assets like gold, silver, land, buying up other real commodities and real assets while the average joe is "HOLDDING" a bunch of worthless digital coins that can be bubble popped at moment’s notice by something as simple as NSA releasing a long held zero-day or secret vulnerability in the blockchain security cipher...

Gold was created in the belly of a dying star during its supernova.... we cannot create gold. (we can in very tiny amounts using particle accelerators but that’s like saying sending trash into space is a way to solve the landfill problem here on earth) however those that say bitcoin is capped at 21 million total bitcoins and thus this is what defines its "value" do not realize that bitcoin has NO intrinsic value whatsoever as a digital distributed bookkeeping entry and that in fact right now its speculative value is only propped up by the "social networking effect" and in reality there is no limit to the infinite number of other alt coins that can be created based on the same underlining blockchain protocol....

Bitcoin is just the newest kid on the block and I believe its purpose is to be a absorber of excess USD and to create a culture of "investing" into this intrinsically worthless scheme in order to mask the USD QE infinity problem of hyperinflation and to suck up the excess dollars whereby creating the sort of lock-in effect of artificially encouraging the common everyday sheeple to voluntarily and unwittingly forego purchasing/consumption of real goods/products and thus hiding the peak oil / supply chain problems by via global "demand destruction" as the bitcoin ponzi grows ever more exponentially larger...
@quantumlight
About your point regarding bitcoin as a CIA plot to soak up excess BTC:
How do you account for the fact that BTC is on the blockchain and transparent and that there are a limited number of BTC?
And that even with BTC it would actually harm the USD as a reserve currency since the Fed has no control over the blockchain and has even been reported as confiscating (read, stealing) peoples' BTC?
 

quantumlight

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that there are a limited number of BTC?
Im hearing this a lot... first off there is virtually no limit to Bitcoin marketcap... smallest unit of bitcoin is 0.000000001 BTC and max number of coins is 21 million... so do the math, plus with settlement aggregation essentially a sotashi can be subdivided to no end... When I send my friend $5 usd on cashap via bitcoin, that transaction doesnt even hit the blockchain, if it did I would incur a $15 bitcoin transaction fee essentially paid as a tax to the bitcoin ecosystem...

Just because there is upper limit to number of bitcoin doesnt mean what you think it does, because bitcoin can be almost infinitely subdivided! remember a bitcoin started out trading as a single penny and now its like $60,000, but almost no one buys and sells in the original bitcoin unit anymore, because its digital it can be rescaled and refactored to any arbitrary unit
 

quantumlight

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How do you account for the fact that BTC is on the blockchain and transparent and that there are a limited number of BTC?
The existence of bitcoin (crypto market cap surpassed 2 trillion recently) gives people extra place to park their money... so they dont actualize it by converting it into real goods....it hides the fact the supply chain is broken and lack of inventory

As long as bitcoin skyrockets it will draw more newcomers and people wont want to sell... drives price up even more... everyone is holdding their life away becoming paper milionaires

I know a guy who used his stimulus to invest in bitcoin as opposed to spending it on real goods and services

This has the culmulative effect of depressing artitifically the prices of gold, silver, or land... the elites convert dollars to real assets while the sheeple get to holdd the bags of scamcoin

Why do you think Bill Gates is buying up farmland while your average joe is now holdding a virtual coin?
 
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