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gelgoog said:

It think you are being highly optimistic with regards to the S1000. None has been built yet, and it was originally a joint venture between the Russians and Italians. With the Italians since then having gone alone and substantially changing the design.

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Understand where you're coming from, the original S1000 did start as a joint venture, but the current version is effectively a clean-sheet Italian design, built on Fincantieri’s experience with proven platforms like the Todaro-class.

That said, I don't think it's overly optimistic to consider this a serious candidate for PN’s next acquisition. Multiple credible indications suggest the deal is in advanced stages, and historically, once PN locks onto a platform, progress tends to follow a fairly standard cycle, contract signing, construction, sea trials, and induction.

So, while the S1000 hasn’t been built yet, the combination of a matured design base and strong buyer interest makes this more than just speculative at this point.

Black Wolf said:

Understand where you're coming from, the original S1000 did start as a joint venture, but the current version is effectively a clean-sheet Italian design, built on Fincantieri’s experience with proven platforms like the Todaro-class.

That said, I don't think it's overly optimistic to consider this a serious candidate for PN’s next acquisition. Multiple credible indications suggest the deal is in advanced stages, and historically, once PN locks onto a platform, progress tends to follow a fairly standard cycle, contract signing, construction, sea trials, and induction.

So, while the S1000 hasn’t been built yet, the combination of a matured design base and strong buyer interest makes this more than just speculative at this point.

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According to , the Royal Thai Navy was expected to pay ~$367 million per S26T submarine. The per boat cost of the Hangor class should be comparable, though likely somewhat, but not unreasonably higher due to ToT, plus CAPEX for enabling local production at the Karachi Shipyard.

Any ballpark figures on how much the S-1000 will cost the Pakistan Navy?

One would assume the S-1000 to be cheaper than the Hangor given their relative displacements, but hard to imagine anything from Fincantieri being the best bang for buck. Though such a deal might make more fiscal sense if the Karachi Shipyard will be delivering boats to an additional customer or two on top of the Pakistan Navy.

Weren't the Emiratis interested in the S-1000 too at some point?

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, the Royal Thai Navy was expected to pay ~$367 million per S26T submarine. The per boat cost of the Hangor class should be comparable, though likely somewhat, but not unreasonably higher due to ToT, plus CAPEX for enabling local production at the Karachi Shipyard.

Any ballpark figures on how much the S-1000 will cost the Pakistan Navy?

One would assume the S-1000 to be cheaper than the Hangor given their relative displacements, but hard to imagine anything from Fincantieri being the best bang for buck. Though such a deal might make more fiscal sense if the Karachi Shipyard will be delivering boats to an additional customer or two on top of the Pakistan Navy.

Weren't the Emiratis interested in the S-1000 too at some point?

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Makes sense on the S26T and Hangor comparison, factoring in ToT and local setup costs, Hangor is understandably priced a bit higher. For the S1000, while its displacement suggests it should be cheaper, you're right that anything coming from Fincantieri likely won't be the most cost-efficient option per ton.

That said, I wouldn’t expect KS&EW to be involved in constructing these boats. The yard already stretched with 4 Hangors, 2 MILGEMs, the FAC(M) series (20 boats, with one already launched), and now rumors of a second Moawin-class support ship (Turkish Design). If the reported 4–5 year induction timeline holds, it's more realistic that the S1000s (6 - 9 boats) will be built entirely in Italy.

Also, if those numbers being discussed are accurate, there’s a strong possibility that Pakistan is getting favorable pricing, likely helped by the growing defense-industrial ties between the two countries and Italy’s interest in expanding its naval exports.

As for export prospects, yes the UAE was linked to the earlier version of the S1000, but nothing materialized. So, unless that interest is revived, this may remain a PN-only program for now.

Black Wolf said:

The fourth E190 aircraft has been acquired for the Sea-Sultan project (LRMPA).




The fourth E190 aircraft has been acquired for the Sea-Sultan project (LRMPA). Currently, two aircraft have been converted and are in the trial phase, while the third is undergoing conversion.

A total of 10 to 12 aircraft are planned to be inducted with the LRMPA configuration as part of the project.

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Embraer Lineage 1000, serial number 19000203, manufactured in 2009, has officially joined the Pakistan Navy. It marks the fourth aircraft acquired out of 10-12 planned under the Sea Sultan LRMPA conversion project.

Contractors Paramount and Leonardo are overseeing the integration, combining a commercial airframe with cost-effective ISR capabilities as an alternative to the more expensive P-8I platform.

Allegedly the first image of a Pakistan Army Z-10ME

Deino said:

Allegedly the first image of a Pakistan Army Z-10ME

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Vicinity suggests that it is already operationally deployed in the North-West sector.

Deino said:

Allegedly the first image of a Pakistan Army Z-10ME

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Nice!
Aww the tail number has '786' in it, Not a coincidence.
Hope they do induction ceremony around aug 14, would be perfect time to do this.

some extra info about em

Deino said:

Allegedly the first image of a Pakistan Army Z-10ME

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Makes more sense than the J-35 and HQ-19 rumors since Pakistan actually has an unoccupied niche for advanced attack helos right now.

Black Wolf said:

Makes sense on the S26T and Hangor comparison, factoring in ToT and local setup costs, Hangor is understandably priced a bit higher. For the S1000, while its displacement suggests it should be cheaper, you're right that anything coming from Fincantieri likely won't be the most cost-efficient option per ton.

That said, I wouldn’t expect KS&EW to be involved in constructing these boats. The yard already stretched with 4 Hangors, 2 MILGEMs, the FAC(M) series (20 boats, with one already launched), and now rumors of a second Moawin-class support ship (Turkish Design). If the reported 4–5 year induction timeline holds, it's more realistic that the S1000s (6 - 9 boats) will be built entirely in Italy.

Also, if those numbers being discussed are accurate, there’s a strong possibility that Pakistan is getting favorable pricing, likely helped by the growing defense-industrial ties between the two countries and Italy’s interest in expanding its naval exports.

As for export prospects, yes the UAE was linked to the earlier version of the S1000, but nothing materialized. So, unless that interest is revived, this may remain a PN-only program for now.

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I appreciate your balanced approach to evaluating the proposed S-1000 deal between the Pakistan Navy and Fincantieri.

If I may ask:

1. What's the rumored cost of the S-1000 deal?

2. What's the value proposition of the S-1000 program from the PN's perspective? What capabilities will these submarines add to the PN, and why is the PN prioritizing the acquisition and development of these capabilities?