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Review our discussion on the same thread from post # 720 - 745....

Thank you, I revisited those posts. It's great that Pakistan is getting frigates from China. Upgraded F-22Ps would add on the news and Pakistan Navy would eventually have 10 capable frigates, which hopefully would be further increased in numbers (ideally 16-18 frigates is what Pakistan Navy should have). Provided that Pakistan's economy steadily grows and expands.

On the Zulfiqar Class frigates upgrades, I wonder whether it would be possible to incorporate VLS. It's not like this hasn't been done before. In fact if I recall, China is upgrading it's Sovremenny Class Destroyers, by incorporating VLS. It would be interesting to see what the Zulfiqar Class frigates upgrades would consist of.
 

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Thank you, I revisited those posts. It's great that Pakistan is getting frigates from China. Pakistan Navy would eventually have 10 capable frigates

Its being discussed in previous posts 720 - 745, that as per PN sources they are in final stage of following ...
  • FFG design (shared already)
  • 6 - 8 proposed Numbers
  • Weapons/Sensors (Shared already)
  • Displacement (4500 - 5000t)
  • Financial terms (soft loan)
  • Delivery time (between 3-5 years)

Upgraded F-22Ps would add on the news..

On the Zulfiqar Class frigates upgrades, I wonder whether it would be possible to incorporate VLS. It's not like this hasn't been done before. In fact if I recall, China is upgrading it's Sovremenny Class Destroyers, by incorporating VLS. It would be interesting to see what the Zulfiqar Class frigates upgrades would consist of.

Currently there is no such option is on the table... as PN is extensively working on acquiring below...
  1. FFGs
  2. SSKs
  3. OPVs
  4. FACs
 

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PAKISTAN NEARING FINALIZATION OF T129, MILGEM FROM TURKEY

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Pakistan’s Minister of Defence Production (MoDP) Rana Tanveer Hussain paid an official two-day visit (24-26 November) to Turkey in a bid to review ongoing bilateral defence programs. The MoDP had met with Turkey’s Minister of National Defence Nurettin Canikli.

According to a
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from Pakistan’s Embassy to Ankara, the MoDP and his Turkish counterpart conducted a “comprehensive review of bilateral cooperation, particularly the ongoing defence industry projects between the two countries,” in which they agreed “that the growing level of bilateral cooperation was consistent with the vision of the leaders on both sides.”

The statement added that both sides “agreed to further increase mutual contact and exchange of visits with a view to realizing the full potential in defence collaboration and identifying new projects.”

On November 25, the MoDP informed Turkey’s state-owned new agency
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that Pakistan’s potential purchase of Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) T129 ATAK attack helicopters and four MILGEM (Milli Gemi: National Warship) naval vessels were major subjects of discussion on his current visit.

Regarding the ATAK, Hussain said, “It is in the pipeline … [the process is] 90 percent complete,” and that the matter proceeded to financial proposals, which are being examined by Pakistan.

As for the MILGEM, the MoDP said, “The process is completed and construction of the ship will start in the near future,” adding, “Technical and financial proposal was going to be open (sic) in Pakistan on Monday.” Two of the four ships will be constructed at Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW).

The MoDP also touched upon the Turkish Air Force’s (TuAF) order of 52 Super Mushshak screening trainers from Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), the contract for which was signed in May.

PAC also offered the JF-17 Thunder multi-role fighter to Turkey. Hussain states that Turkey is “considering this aircraft [JF-17], because they know in detail about this aircraft.” PAC produces the JF-17 in partnership with the Aviation Industry Corporation of China.

Notes & Comments:

Pakistan is among the Turkish defence industry’s prospective key markets. The electronics manufacturer Aselsan is
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for use on the JF-17 Thunder, software defined radios and electronic support measure (ESM) systems. Havelsan supplied Pakistan with various simulator systems, and it will also integrate its naval combat management system to Pakistan’s Agosta 90B submarines.

The defence contractor Savunma Teknolojileri Mühendislik ve Ticaret A.Ş. (STM) is the prime contractor managing the 17,000-ton Pakistan Navy Fleet Tanker (PNFT) and
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programs at KSEW. STM is also
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port design and hydrographic/oceanographic survey services to Pakistan. In 2016, STM had hoped to extend its work with Pakistan to long-term programs, most notably the MILGEM, mini-diesel electric submarine (to replace the Cosmos MG110) and fast attack craft.

Based on the MoDP’s recent statements, the next marquee project involving STM will be the procurement of four MILGEM ships for the Pakistan Navy (PN). In May, STM CEO Davut Yilmaz had
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Anadolu Agency that the ships would be a variant of the Ada corvette incorporating subsystems from Pakistan. The overall value of the program would be roughly $1 billion U.S. Pakistan signed a
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to procure the vessels in May during the 2017 International Defence Exhibition and Fair in Istanbul.

The 2,300-ton MILGEM Ada corvette was designed for anti-submarine warfare (ASW). It is armed with two triple ASW torpedo tubes and sensors for surface and sub-surface situational awareness, two quad-cell launchers for anti-ship missiles (AShM), one 76-mm main gun, two stabilized weapon turrets and one Rolling Airframe Missile point-defence missile system. Specific configuration plans for the PN’s ships have not yet been revealed. Other MILGEM designs include the
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and
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.

The sale of
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attack helicopters to Pakistan is another key area of interest. The prospective purchase, which is said to be valued at $1.5 billion U.S., is
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by both sides. Pakistan chose the T129 for its ‘plus-one’
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to complement the Bell Helicopter AH-1Z Viper, of which 12 are on order (of a possible sale of 15). In turn, TAI has extended offset opportunities to PAC which would see PAC undertake final assembly and supply components to TAI (
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).

Collectively, the ATAK and MILGEM programs will provide Aselsan, Havelsan and Roketsan opportunities to expand their business activities in Pakistan. Aselsan and Havelsan are electronics suppliers for the ATAK and MILGEM, providing hardware such as sensors, combat management systems, ESM, communications systems and self-protection suites. Roketsan is a munitions supplier, its UMTAS and CİRİT are the mainstay guided weapons of the T129. Roketsan is also developing the
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for the MILGEM, while Aselsan recently revealed the
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.

It would be in Pakistan’s interest to tie as many of these contracts to its domestic industry, which would channel the expenditure through the local economy. This could take place through partnerships between Aselsan et. al and their Pakistani counterparts, mirroring ventures such as Kazakhstan Aselsan Engineering wherein new and jointly-owned facilities are raised to manufacture various systems for domestic use and third-party exports. In terms of the latter, Pakistani companies would have the chance to connect themselves to Turkey’s industry efforts in Southeast Asia and the Middle East.

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PAKISTAN AIR FORCE CHIEF MEETS POLISH ARMAMENTS GROUP (PGZ)

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Pakistan Air Force Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman examining a Polish unmanned aerial vehicle. Photo source: PGZ


On November 24 the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) Chief of Air Staff (CAS) Air Chief Marshal (ACM) Sohail Aman
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to Polish Armaments Group (Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa‏: PGZ) to discuss bilateral industrial cooperation in the aviation sector.

The PAF CAS’ visit follows the
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of Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) Chairman Lt. Gen. Umar Farooq Durrani in mid-November, during which the POF head met with Poland’s leading small arms and ammunition manufacturers, such as Fabryka Broni “Łucznik” Radom.

Notes & Comments:

It is possible that ACM Sohail Aman’s visit was in relation to the Kamra Aviation City initiative,
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with the aim of facilitating the development of a medium-altitude long-endurance (MALE) unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) and 5th-generation fighter aircraft for the PAF. Recently, PAC also
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to manufacture a civil commuter aircraft with a seating capacity of 10 to 30 passengers.

The PAF could view Poland – along with China, Turkey, South Africa and Ukraine – as a potential source for capacity building, be it in terms of developing human capital (e.g. scientists and engineers), domestic industry inputs for aerostructures and electronics, and aircraft design guidance.

PGZ has companies specializing in fixed and rotary-wing aircraft maintenance and overhaul, the development and production of radars – including active electronically-scanned array radars (e.g.
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) – and UAV production. Poland is also experienced in developing and manufacturing helicopters, including domestic programs, such as the PZL Swidnik W-3 and SW-4. The PAF is hopeful of enabling PAC to expand or undertake work in each of these areas, PGZ could be a source of support in various areas.

In an interview in 2016, ACM Sohail Aman strongly messaged that supply-side independence was a
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of the PAF’s next-generation fighter program. However, the present reality of Pakistan’s aviation sector, which has only begun aircraft production work through the JF-17, necessitates significant and long-term investment in technical research and development (R&D) and industry development it to efficiently support the PAF’s vision. Overseas support, be it direct technical assistance or less immediate inputs such as human capital development, could be sought to help the PAF with its vision.

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DEPO: PAKISTAN NEEDS COHERENT POLICY ON DEFENCE EXPORTS...

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Photo source: Pakistan Aeronautical Complex

Pakistan’s Defence Export Promotion Organization (DEPO) is jointly hosting a two-day seminar with the Sustainable Development Policy Institute (SDPI).

Titled, “Pakistan’s Defence Industry: Export Potential, Challenges and Prospects,” the seminar aims to pose and address central questions regarding Pakistan’s efforts to expand its defence industry.

The seminar, beginning today on November 28, will involve current and former government officials, top bureaucrats and domestic industry leaders as keynote speakers and discussion chairs.

In particular, DEPO hopes to focus on Pakistan’s efforts to secure a greater share of the global arms trade market, which has managed $1.69 trillion U.S. in worldwide expenditure in 2016.

In its statement, DEPO outlines the purpose of the seminar:

To provide a platform for entrepreneurs, financial experts, engineers, policy makers and academia to review Pakistan’s defence industry and its potential to meet domestic needs and make recommendations for developing draft strategy framework to secure desired share of defence industry products in global arms export market.

Last week, DEPO’s Coordination Director Brig. Gen. Waheed Mumtaz told local journalists (
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) that “Pakistan has no policy to export defence products,” adding that current efforts fail in terms of clear messaging to prospective customers, neglect potential markets and do not emulate the industry best practices of competitors.

According to Brig. Gen. Mumtaz, Pakistan realized defence exports of $270 million in 2016-2017, with the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) Super Mushshak being a key product for growth. However, it should be noted that Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) is the constant in Pakistan’s defence exports,
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$67.73 million in sales in 2016-2017.

Notes & Comments:

The general doctrine of Pakistan’s state-owned defence industry vendors, such as Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT), POF, PAC, Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW) and others, is to primarily fulfill domestic requirements foremost, with exports being made of surplus capacity and production.

For the latter, the Middle East has been a receptive market, especially for POF and PAC with ammunition and trainer aircraft, respectively. These vendors have played a role in channelling defence expenditure to the domestic industry, especially in terms of maintenance and long-term support. However, some within the Pakistani government and armed forces leadership have called for these inputs to serve a greater role in the economy, especially in terms of generating high-value exports and pulling foreign currency to the country. This was pronounced during the inauguration of the
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complex.

There are many potential – and complementary – avenues for defence export growth, but for DEPO, the central issue is the absence of a clear and overarching defence export policy. Besides general aspirations, the Pakistani government has not provided an articulate roadmap for growing defence exports. Thus, the country’s vendors, such as POF and HIT, remain in a condition where their respective products are lagging in current market expectations, but require the armed forces to define requirements and facilitate funding for product development (since the primary purpose of these entities is to serve domestic needs). Meeting domestic requirements does not necessarily mean meeting foreign market expectations.

Thus, one of the potential consequences of DEPO raising this question (of requiring an export policy) could be to review the purpose of Pakistan’s defence industry vendors. The current focus of POF et. al is to serve domestic armed forces requirements. For example, if the Army procures a new assault rifle, that assault rifle will be built under license at POF for meeting Army requirements.

Could this paradigm shift by having POF become an independent (but state-owned) vendor offering a solution to the Army? In this respect, POF would source an assault rifle (be it through original design or partnership with a foreign company) and propose it to the Army. In effect, POF et. al would become less of production depots and instead a domestic marketplace for the armed forces. This model would enable POF et. al to develop their respective product catalogues in alignment to overseas market expectations.

The above is simply an analysis of what Pakistan’s defence and economic planners will consider, alongside faithfully pursuing commercial offsets, engaging the private sector and co-production partnerships.

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