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Tri Nitro Toluene · Jan 10, 2017

FORBIN said:
Pakistan: first test of a nuclear-capable cruising missile from a submarine

With due respect and no intention to troll,
Please read my entire post before arguing,

from video I found from Pakistani Media Wing ISPR's official Twitter account:

color & size changed throughout!
I hope somebody doesn't tell me that colour changing camouflages are used.
Looks like three different videos joined together
one is the launch which appears from under the water,

Then red color missile in mid flight.

Now notice the change in the size of missile, it has not been clearly caught in frame, it actually looked like attack helicopter shooting at the target. @asif iqbal, please explain this change of color and physical character of missile.

1st shot is interesting , the video shows the missile coming out but no sign of the cruise stage kicking in , ie still powered by the rocket (booster) stage.

also regarding the launch platform they here r claiming it is the Augusta 90 B , but that is easier said than done , considering the extensive modification that would be required to the fire control systems etc to support the launch of the SLCM.

For me, a cut pasted a video showing a SLCM launch (could be a harpoon/exocet).

Pakistani Medium Range Cruise Missile Babur may be facing problem same as that of India's Long Range cruise missile Nirbhay, whose launch has always been normal.

It further becomes fishy for me because Pakistan produces only 39 out of 94 defined missile technologies compared to India's 81/94, China's 92/94. They further have no experience in making Turbofans (doesn't matter though because Babur uses Soviet Era NPO bought in bulks at that time, but what about other components?)

On a funny note (no offense intended to anyone): My Pakistani friends used to tease me that their missiles don't fail but ours do. But after watching this video, I'm happy.

On Serious Note: I suspect that fudge may politically motivated because India has conducted about one and a half dozen missile tests since last year.

Babur-3 must be an answer to upcoming Indian IRSLBM K-4 missile's second official test (one unofficial last year) test (K-4 has nothing to do with Pakistan though).
I know that others know much better than me. @Jeaf Head
No intention for flame, I wanna know more.
Edit: Please ignore my submarine part, it's not Agosta 90B (false report), but some underwater mobile launcher (undisclosed) used in launch.

@asif iqbal please provide me NOTAM and NAVAREA warning issued for test, I will be grateful to you.

Altogether for me, this missile test was failed!

Launch video has been merged with previous Babur-2 LACM test.

Tri Nitro Toluene · Jan 10, 2017

Tri Nitro Toluene said:
With due respect and no intention to troll,
Please read my entire post before arguing,

from video I found from Pakistani Media Wing ISPR's official Twitter account:

color & size changed throughout!
I hope somebody doesn't tell me that colour changing camouflages are used.
Looks like three different videos joined together
one is the launch which appears from under the water,

Then red color missile in mid flight.

Now notice the change in the size of missile, it has not been clearly caught in frame, it actually looked like attack helicopter shooting at the target. @asif iqbal, please explain this change of color and physical character of missile.

1st shot is interesting , the video shows the missile coming out but no sign of the cruise stage kicking in , ie still powered by the rocket (booster) stage.

also regarding the launch platform they here r claiming it is the Augusta 90 B , but that is easier said than done , considering the extensive modification that would be required to the fire control systems etc to support the launch of the SLCM.

For me, a cut pasted a video showing a SLCM launch (could be a harpoon/exocet).

Pakistani Medium Range Cruise Missile Babur may be facing problem same as that of India's Long Range cruise missile Nirbhay, whose launch has always been normal.

It further becomes fishy for me because Pakistan produces only 39 out of 94 defined missile technologies compared to India's 81/94, China's 92/94. They further have no experience in making Turbofans (doesn't matter though because Babur uses Soviet Era NPO bought in bulks at that time, but what about other components?)

On a funny note (no offense intended to anyone): My Pakistani friends used to tease me that their missiles don't fail but ours do. But after watching this video, I'm happy.

On Serious Note: I suspect that fudge may politically motivated because India has conducted about one and a half dozen missile tests since last year.

Babur-3 must be an answer to upcoming Indian IRSLBM K-4 missile's second official test (one unofficial last year) test (K-4 has nothing to do with Pakistan though).
I know that others know much better than me. @Jeaf Head
No intention for flame, I wanna know more.
Edit: Please ignore my submarine part, it's not Agosta 90B (false report), but some underwater mobile launcher (undisclosed) used in launch.

@asif iqbal please provide me NOTAM and NAVAREA warning issued for test, I will be grateful to you.

Altogether for me, this missile test was failed!

Launch video has been merged with previous Babur-2 LACM test.

This is the YouTube link for that video.

FORBIN · Jan 10, 2017

Tri Nitro Toluene said:
With due respect and no intention to troll,
Please read my entire post before arguing,

Babur-3 must be an answer to upcoming Indian IRSLBM K-4 missile's second official test (one unofficial last year) test (K-4 has nothing to do with Pakistan though).
I know that others know much better than me. @Jeaf Head
No intention for flame, I wanna know more.

@asif iqbal please provide me NOTAM and NAVAREA warning issued for test, I will be grateful to you.

Altogether for me, this missile test was failed!

Launch video has been merged with previous Babur-2 LACM test.

Main thing Babur 3 have a range of only 450 km and allow to SSKs fire enough far of the ennemy coast undetected normaly but a strike not in depth in the enemy country.

Agosta 90B AIP is a good submarine silencious but less than the last classes Type 212/214 etc...

Tri Nitro Toluene · Jan 10, 2017

FORBIN said:
Agosta 90B AIP is a good submarine silencious but less than the last classes Type 212/214 etc...

Even the mounting of missile here is not easy. Needs a lot of modification.
Given efficiency level, I doubt it would have been done or fitted in torpedo tubes.

Equation · Jan 10, 2017

Tri Nitro Toluene said:
Even the mounting of missile here is not easy. Needs a lot of modification.
Given efficiency level, I doubt it would have been done or fitted in torpedo tubes.

Perhaps, but the fact remains according to recent source is that Pakistan was able to miniaturize their nuclear warhead to be fitted inside a cruise missile is a milestone accomplishment. As a result, they have a viable program to continue progress and further development on. As I said in almost anything...IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PROGRAM.

Tri Nitro Toluene · Jan 10, 2017

Equation said:
the fact remains according to recent source is that Pakistan was able to miniaturize their nuclear warhead to be fitted inside a cruise missile is a milestone accomplishment.

Who knows the "fact".
We have created simulations, made PHWRs, FBRs, LWRs and working on ITER. But never said India could miniaturize it's warheads (though, India is an NFU nuclear country like China, so we have no reason to miniaturize them either).

Equation said:
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PROGRAM.

Budget issue too.
They invest India's 1/25th on research.

Cruise missile programs usually suffer failures and India is still trying to deal with it's Nirbhay (about a decade).
China, Russia, USA, EU, India, all suffer failures in strategic programs.

One can wonder how any single missile test of Pakistan has not failed in history.

Tri Nitro Toluene · Jan 10, 2017

ISPR says:
"Babur-3 was launched from an underwater mobile platform from an undisclosed location."

Tri Nitro Toluene says:
But my friend, fact is that you may test an undisclosed strategic weapon from a disclosed location but you can't test (disclosed or undisclosed) any type of strategic weapon from an undisclosed location.
You have to file a NOTAM (Notification for Airmen) and a NAVAREA warning for safety of passing by boats and civil aircrafts (Cargo/Cruise Ships & Passenger Planes etc.)
So, Pakistan had to file a NOTAM and a NAVAREA warning but Pakistan says they didn't disclose location.

Means that test never occured.
Further, Pakistanis say,
"Missile was tested from an undisclosed location in Indian Ocean."
But the target from video looks around Mountainous northeastern part of Pakistan.
Here's a map of Asia Pacific, watch where is Pakistan and where is Indian Ocean.

No cruise missile with just 450km range can even travel to reach Pakistan from here, living alone hitting target in mountains in more far parts of Pakistan.
They didn't even gave a NOTAM (Notification for Airmen) and a NAVAREA warning.
Test most likely not occurred.

Further, the target hit looks like to be hit by a helicopter launched ATGM.

Tri Nitro Toluene · Jan 10, 2017

Again something funny,
But this time, I made a joke of myself.

we DFI and IDF Indian Defence Forumers calculating trajectories and observing geography, NOTAMs, NAVAREA warnings and observing state of missile to sort out the matter. But look, who made it to media before me!
:cry:
I wanted to get in the news yaar!

Somebody else got.
Hope somebody didn't stole my hardwork.
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Tri Nitro Toluene · Jan 10, 2017

The terrain in the video.

The green part is 450 km radius.

Tri Nitro Toluene · Jan 10, 2017

Not very long ago, ISPR said:

Pakistan today successfully conducted the training launch of Medium Range Ballistic Missile Hatf V (Ghauri). The launch was conducted by a Strategic Missile Group of the Army Strategic Force Command on the culmination of a field training exercise that was aimed at testing the operational readiness of the Army Strategic Force Command. Ghauri ballistic missile is a liquid fuel missile which can carry both conventional and nuclear warheads over a distance of 1300 kms.
The test monitoring of the launch was conducted at the National Command Centre through the medium of National Command Authority’s fully automated Strategic Command and Control Support System (SCCSS). It may be recalled that the SCCSS enables robust Command and Control capability of all strategic assets with round the clock situational awareness in a digitized network centric environment to decision makers at the National Command Centre (NCC). The test consolidates and strengthens Pakistan’s deterrence capability, and national security.
The President and Prime Minister congratulated all ranks of the Army Strategic Force Command on the excellent standard achieved during training which was reflected in the proficient handling of the weapon system in the field and the accuracy of the training launch.

Originally my posted by my Senior Saya sir.
Now, historical pic:

Then ISPR released another statement that missile parts fallen on safe area.

it was felling on Pakistani citizens head, later on they discontinued land test, now it appears they started again.
so, this wasn't a new thing.
Fine, this was last over this topic.

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